| Subject: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/17/2008 8:27:26 PM |
| From: "Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 4:38:07 AM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
Coogee wrote: > New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up > newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up > OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the > newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to > log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password > are correct for > your mail server". After I enter user name and password, and click OK, > the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the > correct > info, but will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. > Whatever I enter will change what's in the account screen for the server > setup. Tried turning all the windows security options off that I could > find, but still can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? Which newsgroups and which NNTP server? If you are talking about one provided by your ISP, then go to the ISP's website and double-check what authorization is needed. It sounds like you aren't using the correct information. For instance, my ISP (Comcast) uses a different authentication for newsgroups than for email. It would also help if you told us what newsreader you're using (Windows Mail, Thunderbird, etc.). Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 5:25:31 AM |
| From: "Mr. Arnold" [Email Address Protection] |
"Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up > newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up > OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the > newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to > log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password > are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, > and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am > giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to > download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account > screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security > options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security > screen. Any advice on this? Well, if you're using Windows Mail as the newsreader, then WM won't hold that user-id and psw at times, and it won't accept the credentials with repeated prompts asking for the credentials. You can be posting and it will loose the credentials too, and it starts prompting. The best way to fix this is to shutdown the newsreader, start it up again, go to your account and give the credentials there to see if they will hold permanently. I have seen this problem on Vista for Outlook and POP3 where the credentials are lost, and it keeps asking for the credentials and never holds, until one goes back to the account to fix it. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 9:58:49 AM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message news:%23$x76mYGJHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message > news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to >> log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password >> are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, >> and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am >> giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to >> download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account >> screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security >> options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security >> screen. Any advice on this? > > Well, if you're using Windows Mail as the newsreader, then WM won't hold > that user-id and psw at times, and it won't accept the credentials with > repeated prompts asking for the credentials. You can be posting and it > will loose the credentials too, and it starts prompting. > > The best way to fix this is to shutdown the newsreader, start it up again, > go to your account and give the credentials there to see if they will hold > permanently. > > I have seen this problem on Vista for Outlook and POP3 where the > credentials are lost, and it keeps asking for the credentials and never > holds, until one goes back to the account to fix it. > > |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 10:11:03 AM |
| From: Paul Adare - MVP [Email Address Protection] |
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:58:49 -0500, Coogee wrote: > I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. Then you need to go back to whomever the news provider is and work with them. Some news servers (for example the ones that host the Microsoft private news groups) require that the username be preceded by a domain name - domainname\username. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca A computer scientist is someone who fixes things that aren't broken. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 1:37:41 PM |
| From: "Mr. Arnold" [Email Address Protection] |
" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:6472318F-BA5B-49D0-BF39-5D6F1290B08F@microsoft.com... >I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. Well, you have actually shutdown the newsreader, you went to the account in the newsreader, and you entered the credentials again, typing over the existing credentials in the boxes. You may have to do it repeated times there too before it will hold the credentials. But you giving them when you're being prompted for the credentials is not going to work. On there other hand, you could be giving the wrong credentials. I don't know. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 2:30:25 PM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
I have the same account set up on my desktop, which uses Win XP. So it's not a matter of not knowing the correct names. The news server is ready to download, except for that pesky Windows security popup. "Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message news:j4wlyb416daw$.1luliaasidhhi$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:58:49 -0500, Coogee wrote: > >> I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. > > Then you need to go back to whomever the news provider is and work with > them. Some news servers (for example the ones that host the Microsoft > private news groups) require that the username be preceded by a domain > name > - domainname\username. > > -- > Paul Adare > MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager > http://www.identit.ca > A computer scientist is someone who fixes things that aren't broken. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/18/2008 5:57:50 PM |
| From: Bruce Chambers [Email Address Protection] |
Coogee wrote: > New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up > newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up > OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the newsgroups > on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to log on to the > newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password are correct for > your mail server". After I enter user name and password, and click OK, the > screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct > info, but will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. Whatever > I enter will change what's in the account screen for the server setup. Tried > turning all the windows security options off that I could find, but still > can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? > > Contact your ISP (or the whomever is hosting the news server to which your trying to connect) to ascertain the correct settings for logging into their server. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 9:45:58 AM |
| From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection] |
" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:6472318F-BA5B-49D0-BF39-5D6F1290B08F@microsoft.com... >I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. > I have never known an ISP news server that requires the ISP customer TO log-in. Are you SURE that your ISP's news server requires you to enter a Username and Password? |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 11:09:00 AM |
| From: "FromTheRafters" [Email Address Protection] |
" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:6472318F-BA5B-49D0-BF39-5D6F1290B08F@microsoft.com... >I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. > > > "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message > news:%23$x76mYGJHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >>> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >>> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me >>> to log on to the newsgroups server- >>> "verify that both username and password are correct for your mail >>> server". Why is it asking about a mail server when you are trying to configure a news server connection? >>> After I enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps >>> popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but >>> will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I >>> enter will change what's in the account screen for the server setup. >>> Tried turning all the windows security options off that I could find, >>> but still can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? >> >> Well, if you're using Windows Mail as the newsreader, then WM won't hold >> that user-id and psw at times, and it won't accept the credentials with >> repeated prompts asking for the credentials. You can be posting and it >> will loose the credentials too, and it starts prompting. >> >> The best way to fix this is to shutdown the newsreader, start it up >> again, go to your account and give the credentials there to see if they >> will hold permanently. >> >> I have seen this problem on Vista for Outlook and POP3 where the >> credentials are lost, and it keeps asking for the credentials and never >> holds, until one goes back to the account to fix it. >> >> > |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 12:00:02 PM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
Just another part of the mystery. "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message news:eVc8MLoGJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> "verify that both username and password are correct for your mail >>>> server". > > Why is it asking about a mail server when you are > trying to configure a news server connection? > |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 12:00:45 PM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
Yes I is. "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:eCfTvcnGJHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:6472318F-BA5B-49D0-BF39-5D6F1290B08F@microsoft.com... >>I have done this many, many times, and the results are still the same. >> > > I have never known an ISP news server that requires the ISP customer TO > log-in. Are you SURE that your ISP's news server requires you to enter a > Username and Password? |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 7:35:59 PM |
| From: "Dave T." [Email Address Protection] |
Coogee wrote: > Just another part of the mystery. > > "FromTheRafters" <erratic@ne.rr.com> wrote in message > news:eVc8MLoGJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> "verify that both username and password are correct for your mail >>>>> server". >> >> Why is it asking about a mail server when you are >> trying to configure a news server connection? >> > Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader I use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, it is only for subscribers. I have the option of using any server I want outside of my ISP, but I would likely have to pay extra for it. -- Dave T. You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. - Hirohito, Emporer of Japan |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 8:31:39 PM |
| From: Paul Montgomery [Email Address Protection] |
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:35:59 -0700, "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote: >I have the option of using any server I want >outside of my ISP, but I would likely have to pay extra for it. There are free news servers out there. Google is your friend. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/19/2008 11:23:42 PM |
| From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection] |
"Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... > > Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader I > use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is > required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, > it is only for subscribers. Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the news server....way to go USA! |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/20/2008 1:25:57 AM |
| From: Paul Montgomery [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >"Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader I >> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is >> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, >> it is only for subscribers. > >Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a >particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes >you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the >news server....way to go USA! Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband connections don't require a log-in. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/20/2008 11:49:59 AM |
| From: Paul Montgumdrop [Email Address Protection] |
Gordon wrote: > log-in for the news server....way to go USA! Is the real you about to show here? |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/22/2008 6:58:24 PM |
| From: "Dave T." [Email Address Protection] |
Gordon wrote: > "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message > news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >> >> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what >> reader I use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a >> log on is required to access it. They don't want to give the news >> server for free, it is only for subscribers. > > Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a > particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP > assumes you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate > log-in for the news server....way to go USA! My apologies, I wasn't very clear. No user name or password for the news server, just the ISP. The thing is that T-bird is an all in one just like windows mail. It handles mail and news and whenever I open t-bird the first thing it does is log on to the ISP to download mail and news headers. -- Dave T. You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. - Hirohito, Emporer of Japan |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/22/2008 6:59:37 PM |
| From: "Dave T." [Email Address Protection] |
Paul Montgomery wrote: > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon" > <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > >> "Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >> news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader I >>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is >>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, >>> it is only for subscribers. >> Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a >> particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes >> you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the >> news server....way to go USA! > > Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband > connections don't require a log-in. > It does when your reader is downloading mail from a pop server. -- Dave T. You can't imagine the extra work I had when I was a god. - Hirohito, Emporer of Japan |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/22/2008 11:22:28 PM |
| From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection] |
"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message news:2oc9d4do3mrthdt4jh1949cv209oeb2599@4ax.com... > On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon" > <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > >>"Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >>news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>> >>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader >>> I >>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is >>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, >>> it is only for subscribers. >> >>Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a >>particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes >>you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the >>news server....way to go USA! > > Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband > connections don't require a log-in. > I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who uses it's services? |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/22/2008 11:45:00 PM |
| From: Paul Adare - MVP [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote: > I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will > contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who > uses it's services? And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply direct connect with no user name or password required. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca Your password is pitifully obvious. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 3:47:07 AM |
| From: Paul Montgomery [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message >news:2oc9d4do3mrthdt4jh1949cv209oeb2599@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon" >> <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >> >>>"Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >>>news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>> >>>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what reader >>>> I >>>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is >>>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for free, >>>> it is only for subscribers. >>> >>>Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a >>>particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP assumes >>>you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for the >>>news server....way to go USA! >> >> Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband >> connections don't require a log-in. >> > >I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will >contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who >uses it's services? ?? We use MODEMS, not routers. In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the switching station's end. NO log-in credentials required. Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer connected to the modem. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 3:51:56 AM |
| From: Paul Montgomery [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:45:00 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote: >On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote: > >> I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will >> contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who >> uses it's services? > >And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the >subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the >ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply >direct connect with no user name or password required. RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and the machine ID is then allowed to connect. Routers can be used at will behind the modem. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 4:25:06 AM |
| From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection] |
"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message news:6cihd451nkgk5k8p4j2bdnqumol0knlgi6@4ax.com... > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:45:00 -0400, Paul Adare - MVP > <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, Gordon wrote: >> >>> I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will >>> contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control >>> who >>> uses it's services? >> >>And you'd be wrong. Access is typically controlled by restricting the >>subnet from which access can be gained to those subnets controlled by the >>ISP in question. While there are some ISPs that use PPOE most are simply >>direct connect with no user name or password required. > > RCN - a struggling ISP/phone/cable provider - while not requiring > log-in credentials - does require that the modem be "registered" with > them. One either rents the modem from them - or buys their own - and > the machine ID is then allowed to connect. > > Routers can be used at will behind the modem. as I said - way to go USA! |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 4:24:33 AM |
| From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection] |
"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message news:mrhhd4t20jo5uk1u2ar85ug9n6mpmiua2a@4ax.com... > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:22:28 +0100, "Gordon" > <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > >>"Paul Montgomery" <i.m.nonnymous@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message >>news:2oc9d4do3mrthdt4jh1949cv209oeb2599@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 07:23:42 +0100, "Gordon" >>> <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>"Dave T." <davey@MyPlace.net> wrote in message >>>>news:jkZAk.1098$c45.775@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>> >>>>> Alas, 'tis the same for me. I use T-bird, but regardless of what >>>>> reader >>>>> I >>>>> use the news server is provided to me through my ISP, and a log on is >>>>> required to access it. They don't want to give the news server for >>>>> free, >>>>> it is only for subscribers. >>>> >>>>Interesting. In the UK, if you are accessing the internet through a >>>>particular ISP, which always involves log-in credentials, the ISP >>>>assumes >>>>you ARE a subscriber, and thus does not require a separate log-in for >>>>the >>>>news server....way to go USA! >>> >>> Umm... Gordon, old boy: In the USA, most always-on broadband >>> connections don't require a log-in. >>> >> >>I think you'll find, even in the Colonies, that the Router set-up will >>contain a User name and Password - how otherwise would the ISP control who >>uses it's services? > > ?? > > We use MODEMS, not routers. > > In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it > isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the > switching station's end. > > NO log-in credentials required. > > Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with > multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer > connected to the modem. > <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it... |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 4:59:20 AM |
| From: Paul Adare - MVP [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote: > <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a > Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you > access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you > have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it... <sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone who isn't even on this continent. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 7:53:12 AM |
| From: Paul Montgomery [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: >> In the case of cable broadband, the node is activated for access or it >> isn't. As for DSL... same thing, but it's the phone connection at the >> switching station's end. >> >> NO log-in credentials required. >> >> Routers are used only when one wants to share a connection with >> multiple computers. Still, no log-in is required by the computer >> connected to the modem. >> > ><sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in it a >Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account you >have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with it... <bigger sigh> You're full of it Gordon. I purchase my own modems. Are you saying that somehow my ISP magically inserts the Username and Password? You need some sleep. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 3:30:39 PM |
| From: "Richard G. Harper" [Email Address Protection] |
<double sigh> You are both right and both wrong. Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect. Gordon - yeah, that's true for DSL ... but for CABLE modems, there is no place to put a username and password, the MAC address controls whether or not you can access the Internet. So both of you may wish to consider that your view depends entirely on the direction one is looking in. ;-) -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] rgharper@gmail.com * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ "Paul Adare - MVP" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1rimv7nkfylbg$.t0xio1xxiwpn$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:24:33 +0100, Gordon wrote: > >> <sigh> - the setup for the MODEM (or whatever you call it) will have in >> it a >> Username and Password - no you don't need to type those in every time you >> access the internet but I can assure you they are there....The account >> you >> have with your ISP WILL have a Username and Password associated with >> it... > > <sigh> - No they don't. The MAC address is registered with the provider > which is what allows one to get an IP address, there is no user name and > password assigned. You seem to think you know a lot about this for someone > who isn't even on this continent. > > -- > Paul Adare > MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager > http://www.identit.ca > The moving cursor prints, and having printed, blinks on. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 4:11:27 PM |
| From: Paul Adare - MVP [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:30:39 -0400, Richard G. Harper wrote: > Paul - yeah, depending on your service, you put a username and password into > the MODEM. My DSL modem/router certainly does have a place to put my > username and password and if I don't put them in there it won't connect. You might to actually read the post of mine where I mentioned PPOE there sport. -- Paul Adare MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager http://www.identit.ca RAM: A male sheep. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 6:57:20 PM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita. "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up > newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set up > OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the > newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to > log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password > are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, > and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am > giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to > download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account > screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security > options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security > screen. Any advice on this? > |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/23/2008 7:23:52 PM |
| From: "JohnJ" [Email Address Protection] |
" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com... > Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got answer > I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. I DO! > Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed yet - hard > for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL server, which I > didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or newsgroups. Such agita. > > "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message > news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me to >> log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and password >> are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and password, >> and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same prompt. I am >> giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't begin to >> download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in the account >> screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows security >> options off that I could find, but still can't get past the security >> screen. Any advice on this? >> > Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and see where that goes. John |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/24/2008 8:28:40 AM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's not the problem. Thanks for replying, though. "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com... >> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. >> I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed >> yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL >> server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >> newsgroups. Such agita. >> >> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is set >>> up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download the >>> newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, asking me >>> to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both username and >>> password are correct for your mail server". After I enter user name and >>> password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping up asking for same >>> prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will not accept, so can't >>> begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter will change what's in >>> the account screen for the server setup. Tried turning all the windows >>> security options off that I could find, but still can't get past the >>> security screen. Any advice on this? >>> >> > > Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and > password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). But > sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain and > see where that goes. > > John |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/24/2008 1:44:10 PM |
| From: "FromTheRafters" [Email Address Protection] |
" Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:BFF33E4A-F5D6-44EB-B7EB-EBE672311285@microsoft.com... >I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's >not the problem. Thanks for replying, though. Have tou tried creating a new account (Standard User) and setting up the NNTP account in that user account? Maybe there's corruption in your admin user account data or code. |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/24/2008 8:26:02 PM |
| From: Paul Montgumdrop [Email Address Protection] |
Coogee wrote: > I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So > that's not the problem. Thanks for replying, though. It's a problem on Vista. You were given information about how to go to the account itself on WM, Outlook or whatever is being used and entering the credentials again typing over the existing credentials and doing send/recv of email or post/read on NNTP until the credentials hold. You giving the credentials when being prompted is not going to work, as they will not hold. It has to be done on the account iteslf off of Tools menu and select the account and set it there. And besides, they are going to be lost again, but it has not happened for me in a long long time, knock on wood. > > "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com... >>> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >>> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or >>> not. I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been >>> fixed yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my >>> MAIL server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >>> newsgroups. Such agita. >>> >>> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >>> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set >>>> up newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All >>>> is set up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially >>>> download the newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security >>>> notice, asking me to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that >>>> both username and password are correct for your mail server". After >>>> I enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps >>>> popping up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, >>>> but will not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. >>>> Whatever I enter will change what's in the account screen for the >>>> server setup. Tried turning all the windows security options off >>>> that I could find, but still can't get past the security screen. Any >>>> advice on this? >>>> >>> >> >> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and >> password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). >> But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and >> complain and see where that goes. >> >> John > |
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| Subject: Re: Windows Security and Newsgroups |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 9/27/2008 4:29:12 PM |
| From: " Coogee" [Email Address Protection] |
As I said before, I have done this many, many times, just as you suggested. My next try will be to follow the directions in http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/62560-windows-mail-problems.html Think it will work? "Paul Montgumdrop" <Paul@Montgumdrop.com> wrote in message news:%23MxX05rHJHA.740@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Coogee wrote: >> I have the same accounts set up on my desktop and they work OK. So that's >> not the problem. Thanks for replying, though. > > It's a problem on Vista. You were given information about how to go to the > account itself on WM, Outlook or whatever is being used and entering the > credentials again typing over the existing credentials and doing send/recv > of email or post/read on NNTP until the credentials hold. You giving the > credentials when being prompted is not going to work, as they will not > hold. It has to be done on the account iteslf off of Tools menu and select > the account and set it there. > > And besides, they are going to be lost again, but it has not happened for > me in a long long time, knock on wood. > >> >> "JohnJ" <theislands@comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:uY4xZyeHJHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> " Coogee" <coogee@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >>> news:6C12EB8D-1580-400C-8119-99025B6965A5@microsoft.com... >>>> Thanks for all the activity to my question, but I still haven't got >>>> answer I can use. Lots of noise on whether you need to sign on or not. >>>> I DO! Anyway this must be a problem with Vista that hasn't been fixed >>>> yet - hard for me to believe. Now I have the same problem on my MAIL >>>> server, which I didn't have before. So now I can't get mail or >>>> newsgroups. Such agita. >>>> >>>> "Coogee" <coogee@peoplepc.com> wrote in message >>>> news:uWYqB6TGJHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> New laptop with Vista. I'm the admin, only account. Trying to set up >>>>> newsgroups from my news server, which requires me to log on. All is >>>>> set up OK in the account screens. When I try to initially download >>>>> the newsgroups on the server, up pops a Windows security notice, >>>>> asking me to log on to the newsgroups server- "verify that both >>>>> username and password are correct for your mail server". After I >>>>> enter user name and password, and click OK, the screen keeps popping >>>>> up asking for same prompt. I am giving it the correct info, but will >>>>> not accept, so can't begin to download newsgroups. Whatever I enter >>>>> will change what's in the account screen for the server setup. Tried >>>>> turning all the windows security options off that I could find, but >>>>> still can't get past the security screen. Any advice on this? >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> Maybe its really problem with the ISP. Comcast requires a login and >>> password (until they remove Giganews from their services next month). >>> But sometimes the ISP can have issues, so I'd call the ISP and complain >>> and see where that goes. >>> >>> John >> |
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