| Subject: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 11:49:04 AM |
| From: =?Utf-8?B?cm9uc2Vn?= [Email Address Protection] |
I have a Win xp machine and a Win Vista machine. The vista sees and prints through the xp but the xp can not get logged into the vista machine. The error message I get is: \\ron-pc is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network resource. Login failure: The user has not been granted the requested login type at this computer. I have granted myself full control and everything else I can think of. I'm probably missing something stupid, but I am at a loss. I can't map the drive on the xp machine or anything else. Step by step help would be appreciated. Once again, the vista machine sees the xp, but the xp, although it sees the vista machine, will not let me on to the c drive. Thanks, ron |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 12:00:57 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > I have a Win xp machine and a Win Vista machine. The vista sees and prints > through the xp but the xp can not get logged into the vista machine. The > error message I get is: > \\ron-pc is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this > network resource. Login failure: The user has not been granted the > requested login type at this computer. > I have granted myself full control and everything else I can think of. I'm > probably missing something stupid, but I am at a loss. I can't map the > drive on the xp machine or anything else. Step by step help would be > appreciated. Once again, the vista machine sees the xp, but the xp, > although it sees the vista machine, will not let me on to the c drive. > Thanks, ron Here are general network troubleshooting steps. Not everything may be applicable to your situation, so just take the bits that are. It may look daunting, but if you follow the steps at the links and suggestions below systematically and calmly, you will have no difficulty in setting up your sharing. Excellent, thorough, yet easy to understand article about File/Printer Sharing in Vista. Includes details about sharing printers as well as files and folders: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx For XP, start by running the Network Setup Wizard on all machines (see caveat in Item A below). Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall or overlooked firewall (including a stateful firewall in a VPN); or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating system does not permit it. A. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. DO NOT TURN OFF FIREWALLS; CONFIGURE THEM CORRECTLY. B. For ease of organization, put all computers in the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab. C. Create matching user accounts and passwords on all machines. You do not need to be logged into the same account on all machines and the passwords assigned to each user account can be different; the accounts/passwords just need to exist and match on all machines. DO NOT NEGLECT TO CREATE PASSWORDS, EVEN IF ONLY SIMPLE ONES. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at this link work for both XP and Vista: Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) - http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm D. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab). E. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home directories or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about Vista sharing. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 1:10:20 PM |
| From: TheBoozer [Email Address Protection] |
Since you can see the C drive from your XP machine, then it is a "Permissions" and "Sharing" issue and I have been through it. Right click the C derive on the Vista machine, go to properties and first allow sharing of the C drive. Then go Security and make sure that Full Control is given to "Everyone". This is a bit tricky since you may have to creat a user group called Everyone. You may also have to take Ownership of the C drive and its subfolders. Make sure that Vista's firewall allows the XP to connect to it. Good luck -- TheBoozer Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 1:35:14 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
Mick Murphy wrote: (snippage) > Password Protected: OFF (unless you want to set up identical usernames and > passwords (passwords can be different) on ALL computers in your Network) > If you have it ON, you will be asked for a username and password when you > try to access a Vista computer from an XP computer, or a Vista computer. Password Protected should be ON and yes, one should set up identical user accounts AND passwords on all computers. If it is ON and the identical user accounts/passwords are created, one will NOT be asked for the username/password as you write below. Sharing will be seamless and invisible to the end user because authentication is done locally and since the user account requesting the shared resource is known to the local machine, credentials will NOT be requested. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 1:39:32 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > Unfortunately I have already done all of this. I rechecked everything and > there has been no change. My xp computer sees the vista and shows the C: > drive. When I attempt to get onto the C: drive I get the error message > that I listed below. I can not gain access to the files! If you are getting an "access denied" error then you haven't configured your firewalls correctly, are unwittingly running two firewalls on one machine, and/or don't have identical user accounts/passwords created on all machines. The most common reason for the last bit is if someone changed the name of a user account cosmetically. The example would be if the user account is *really* "Owner" or "HP Admin" or the like and the end user renamed the account to "Ron". The user account is still "Owner" and not "Ron" and no match is made. Therefore authentication fails. You also didn't mention what version of XP you have. Again, if you have XP Pro or Media Center, turn off Simple File Sharing from Folder Options>View tab. Check again. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 1:50:18 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
TheBoozer wrote: > > Since you can see the C drive from your XP machine, then it is a > "Permissions" and "Sharing" issue and I have been through it. Right > click the C derive on the Vista machine, go to properties and first > allow sharing of the C drive. Then go Security and make sure that Full > Control is given to "Everyone". This is a bit tricky since you may have > to creat a user group called Everyone. You may also have to take > Ownership of the C drive and its subfolders. Make sure that Vista's > firewall allows the XP to connect to it. Well put, although there is no necessity to create an "Everyone" group since that's a built-in group. The only thing I would add is if the OP has XP Home, he won't see the Sharing & Security tabs in Regular Mode and will need to go into Safe Mode. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 2:23:28 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > I'm sorry but nothing helps. I checked my user accounts again, My xp has > Ron comuter administrator and my vista has Ron administrator as the user > account. > I have xp media and I have turned off simple file sharing. I do not have > two > firewalls, just windows firewall. Any other ideas? I also have an old > laptop running Win 98, it sees my vista but can't log on either. Select > user group and effective permission on the vista share/security tap > appears to be a problem. What should this be? Are you trying to share the entire C: drive on Vista, or something on the root of the drive? That is protected in Vista. If this is what you're doing, then either put things in Vista's Public folder (which is where they should go) or do this to enable sharing the root of a drive (not recommended): ***** From Michael Bell, MS - When you share out the root of a drive in Vista, the UI only allows this through the advanced sharing option. When the advanced sharing option is used it only sets the share permissions. The actual permissions on a file share are a combination of Folder and Share permissions. In Vista the everyone group doesn't have permissions so when you connect without a password the system you can see the folders but not access them or possibly connect to the share but fail to open it. 1. Open Computer 2. Right click on the shared drive and select properties from the context menu 3. Select the Security Tab in the displayed properties sheet. If you are connecting to the computer with no password then you are connecting with the guest account. In order to access the files on the drive, the everyone group needs to have access set here. ***** Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 3:52:43 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > I am trying to access the C: drive not the root drive. When I check the > security tap the following group or user names appear: Authenticated > Users; SYSTEM; Administrators (Ron-PC\Administrators); Users > (Ron-PC\Users) Each has full control. Should something be changed? ron Once again, you say you are "trying to access the C: drive...". That is the root of the drive. Do as Michael Bell suggests and add the Everyone group and make sure you have assigned passwords. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/3/2008 5:12:13 PM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > Tell me how EXACTLY. I have done this several times to no avail. Perhaps > I'm doing something wrong or leaving out a step. ron I've looked through all your postings and I don't see that you've told us what version of Vista you have. This is important. I can't walk you through adding the Everyone group because my Vista machine is off and I have to go make dinner. Here are some links that may help. I'll check back in the morning and if you still need more help, I'll turn on the Vista box. File and Printer Sharing in Windows Vista (has good pictures) http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727037.aspx If you scroll down to the "Sharing a Folder or Printer in Windows Vista" section towards the bottom of the page, you'll see where you can add "Everyone" by clicking the "Add" button. Troubleshoot "access denied" when opening files or folders http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/31ad4562-aee7-4fed-8316-89114dc973031033.mspx Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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| Subject: Re: networking xp to vista |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 9/4/2008 4:13:47 AM |
| From: Malke [Email Address Protection] |
ronseg wrote: > I am using Vista Home Premium. I have checked out the web site and I think > that I've done everything there. I would appreciate it very much if you > would take the time to walk me through the process. I have jury duty > tomorrow so I may be delayed getting back to you. Thanks for your help. This has become a very long thread. Here's what you must do in your next post: 1. State the versions of both operating systems. 2. State what security/antivirus software you have on both machines. 3. State *exactly* what you are trying to do. 4. If you are trying to share a folder, state exactly where the folder is. 5. State the user accounts you've made on both machines and whether they are computer administrators or standard users. 6. State whether you have created identical passwords. 7. State exactly what you mean by "the xp can not get logged into the vista machine". You don't usually log into another machine in a 2-machine network unless you're trying to manage it remotely, so this statement doesn't really make sense to me. Normally setting up sharing between two computers takes under 5 minutes, not counting installing printer drivers for each operating system. So I honestly don't know why you are messing about with permissions, etc. I don't mind trying to help you, but I've got 6 laptops to install Vista on today and I don't want to spend any more time dragging information out of you. I don't say this to hurt your feelings but rather to get this resolved for you in a timely fashion. Malke -- MS-MVP Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic! FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ |
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