| Subject: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 1:51:19 AM |
| From: vistanovice |
Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm wont install properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts programs (avast, netgear, system mechanic etc) without giving me the option to unblock, and im unsure about just using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one that actually works properly in vista? Post Originated from http://www.VistaForums.com Vista Support Forums |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 2:26:52 AM |
| From: Root Kit [Email Address Protection] |
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:51:19 -0700, vistanovice wrote: >Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista? Yes. The build-in one. |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 3:30:13 AM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:51:19 -0700, vistanovice wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm wont install properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts programs (avast, netgear, system mechanic etc) without giving me the option to unblock, and im unsure about just using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one that actually works properly in vista? You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using. PFW Criticism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_firewall#Criticisms Jesper's Blogs- At Least This Snake Oil Is Free. http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesper/archive/2007/07/19/at-least-this-snake-oil-is-free.aspx Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista? http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx Managing the Windows Vista Firewall http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx Exploring The Windows Firewall. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx "If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what you ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall." Tap into the Vista firewall's advanced configuration features http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6098592.html "...once you discover the secret of accessing its advanced configuration settings via the MMC snap-in, you'll find it to be far more configurable and functional. At last, Windows comes with a sophisticated personal firewall that can be used to set up outbound rules as well as inbound, with the ability to customize rules to fit your precise needs." Or Configure Vista Firewall to support outbound packet filtering http://searchwindowssecurity.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid45_gci1247138,00.html Or Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available). Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing activity, controls applications internet access. http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/ The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under the "Download and Buy" link. |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 7:33:34 AM |
| From: "Ken Blake, MVP" [Email Address Protection] |
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:51:19 -0700, vistanovice wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm > wont install properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts > programs (avast, netgear, system mechanic etc) without > giving me the option to unblock, and im unsure about just > using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one that > actually works properly in vista? I recommend the firewall that comes with Vista itself. Third-party firewalls are no better, and unnecessary. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience Please Reply to the Newsgroup |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 8:38:45 AM |
| From: "Spirit" [Email Address Protection] |
Use a Router with built-in firewall in addition to the Windows Software Firewall. You'll be extra safe. "vistanovice" wrote in message = news:uRFTuPT%23IHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm wont install = properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts programs (avast, netgear, = system mechanic etc) without giving me the option to unblock, and im = unsure about just using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one = that actually works properly in vista? >=20 >=20 > Post Originated from http://www.VistaForums.com Vista Support Forums |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 6:28:56 PM |
| From: Bruce Chambers [Email Address Protection] |
vistanovice wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm wont install properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts programs (avast, netgear, system mechanic etc) without giving me the option to unblock, and im unsure about just using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one that actually works properly in vista? > > Vista's built-in firewall is perfectly adequate for most people. While it's not quite up to the ease-of-use standards of Kerio or ZoneAlarm, it has been noticeably improved over WinXP's version. There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall: 1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the only one most people see. To further supplement this view, Sphinx's Vista Firewall Control http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware that makes the Vista Firewall much more easily manageable to the average user. 2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security (WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder, for the experienced user who wants more granular control. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers. ~ Denis Diderot |
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| Subject: Re: Firewall Problem |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.security |
| Date: 8/8/2008 10:41:35 PM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 01:51:19 -0700, vistanovice wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good firewall for vista?Zone alarm wont install properly, PC Tools firewall plus, restricts programs (avast, netgear, system mechanic etc) without giving me the option to unblock, and im unsure about just using the windows default one.Can anyone recommend one that actually works properly in vista? In addition to my response of 08-Aug-08 5:30:12 PM please listen what the real experts have to say about 3rd party software firewalls (PFW): 1. On August 07, 2007, the software engineers/programmers of Sunbelt Software (the makers of Sunbelt Personal Firewall) have raised reservations about the usefulness of outbound protection provided by personal firewalls (PFW) in cases where malware has already executed and describe it as a questionable basis on which to build a *security* assessment. 2. Furthermore, during a interview with Leo Laporte (August 16, 2007), Steve Gibson, of Gibson Research Corporation said that he has given up updating his *'Firewall Leak Test'* application because he found it essentially worthless to continue and admitted a software-based firewall (PFW) is kind of pointless to employ. 3. And, a rational appraisal by Steve Riley concerning *security* related 3rd party software applications (August 06, 2008). [quote] In general, it's a bad idea to use third-party "replacements" for critical parts of the operating system. While I'll never claim that our software is bug-free, I feel pretty certain that some shady no-charge download that tries to replace or improve on some aspect of the security subsystem hasn't gone through any kind of testing like we do: the SDL, automated fuzz and penetration testing, and threat modeling. My advice: stay away from stuff like this. [unquote] Steve Riley [MSFT Senior Security Strategist] steve.riley@microsoft.com http://blogs.technet.com/steriley http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com 4. Also in TechNet Magazine (June 2008). Jesper M. Johansson Senior Security Strategist in the Security Technology Unit at MSFT. Managing the Windows Vista Firewall http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx [quote] ....outbound filtering will stop the worm from infecting other systems or will stop the attacker from communicating out. This is *not* true. [unquote] If I were you I'd be guided accordingly :) |
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