| Subject: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/1/2008 8:25:25 AM |
| From: me@tarquin.demon.co.uk |
I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router and laptop by wireless. What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward under Vista on the laptop. Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/1/2008 9:44:39 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine. And, AFAIK, Vista will not allow you to see it until you set up a login for you to use. With all the "security" updates, I am currently forced to use a login for my XP machines, too. me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to > set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. > > Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a > fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. > > Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router > and laptop by wireless. > > What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 > machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer > connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each > machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the > N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. > > Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going > wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can > start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward > under Vista on the laptop. > > Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/1/2008 1:56:37 PM |
| From: "Tony Sperling" [Email Address Protection] |
Ahem. . .You aren't using your normal straight through cables from your hub/switch, are you? If you are connecting two ethernet cards directly, you will need a crossed cable. Beyond this - if, I'm not mistaken, you should use unique 'computernames' for each PC, but the same 'workgroupname'. If you want to reconfigure everything from scratch you might consider uninstalling the device in question and reboot and then reinstall. It shouldn't be neccessary, but I find it to be reassuring whenever I want to make sure that I am not forgetting any of the essential steps doing stuff I don't do all of the time. Tony. . . "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:%23LVUpX$8IHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. > There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. > Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine. > > And, AFAIK, Vista will not allow you to see it until you set up a login > for you to use. With all the "security" updates, I am currently forced to > use a login for my XP machines, too. > > > me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >> >> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >> >> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >> and laptop by wireless. >> >> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >> >> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >> under Vista on the laptop. >> >> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >> |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/1/2008 2:32:18 PM |
| From: "Charlie Russel - MVP" [Email Address Protection] |
You're pretty much right, Bobby. Without a Domain to manage things, the new networking in Vista makes it very difficult to "see" any downlevel clients. There are workarounds - if you've shared a device or folder on the downlevel machine (XP x64 in this case), you can explicitly connect to it by knowing the share name and the machine name, assuming you have the windows firewall configured to allow connections. So, for example, I can't browse and see my XP x64 VM (hp350-xpx64-01) from my Vista 64 desktop. But I _can_ connect to my Public folder on it, which is shared as "public" with full rights to all. From a command window: net use * \\hp350-xpx64-01\public works just fine. If you've matched your user names and passwords on both machines, you won't be prompted for credentials. BTW, if your DNS doesn't resolve the machine name, you can still use explict IP addresses for connections. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:%23LVUpX$8IHA.3336@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. > There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. > Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine. > > And, AFAIK, Vista will not allow you to see it until you set up a login > for you to use. With all the "security" updates, I am currently forced to > use a login for my XP machines, too. > > > me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >> >> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >> >> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >> and laptop by wireless. >> >> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >> >> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >> under Vista on the laptop. >> >> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >> |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/3/2008 2:47:52 PM |
| From: me@tarquin.demon.co.uk |
Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" basis. At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. > >Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. > >Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >and laptop by wireless. > >What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. > >Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >under Vista on the laptop. > >Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/3/2008 4:21:16 PM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. > > Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 > machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s > printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? > > I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" > basis. > > At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. > > > > On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > >> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >> >> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >> >> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >> and laptop by wireless. >> >> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >> >> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >> under Vista on the laptop. >> >> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/3/2008 8:58:54 PM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en -- Tom MSMVP 1998-2007 "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:%23IlHo%23b9IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and copy them onto my >XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I was then able to 'see' the XP x64 >machine from Vista. > > > > me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. Difficult, or >> impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >> >> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >> basis. >> >> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>> >>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>> >>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>> and laptop by wireless. >>> >>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>> >>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>> under Vista on the laptop. >>> >>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 3:52:05 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
It is for XP 32-bit (x86) and will not install on x64. I copied the files from Vista x64 to install on XP x64. Tom Ferguson wrote: > Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology > Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en > > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 8:18:48 AM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for greater clarity. -- Tom MSMVP 1998-2007 "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:%23eZmpAi9IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > It is for XP 32-bit (x86) and will not install on x64. > > I copied the files from Vista x64 to install on XP x64. > > > > Tom Ferguson wrote: >> Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology >> Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 9:28:46 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
Also, the version you pointed to will not install on XP 32-bit w/SP3. There is a version for SP3 but you have to contact Microsoft for the new v6 file for SP3. The SP3 file is WindowsXP-KB922120-v6-x86-ENU.exe Tom Ferguson wrote: > OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for > greater clarity. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 1:43:56 PM |
| From: me@tarquin.demon.co.uk |
Bobby, Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can install LLTD, please? On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: >I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. > > > >me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >> >> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >> >> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >> basis. >> >> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>> >>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>> >>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>> and laptop by wireless. >>> >>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>> >>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>> under Vista on the laptop. >>> >>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. William |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 3:38:42 PM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
Thanks. Useful to know. TF "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:uYrLs8k9IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Also, the version you pointed to will not install on XP 32-bit w/SP3. > There is a version for SP3 but you have to contact Microsoft for the new > v6 file for SP3. The SP3 file is WindowsXP-KB922120-v6-x86-ENU.exe > > > > Tom Ferguson wrote: >> OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for >> greater clarity. |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 10:19:40 PM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
Updated link PARTICULARLY desirable for XP 32 bit with SP3 installed: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ePOAtZe9IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology > Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en > > -- > > Tom > MSMVP 1998-2007 > > > "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:%23IlHo%23b9IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and copy them onto >>my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I was then able to 'see' the XP >>x64 machine from Vista. >> >> >> >> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. Difficult, or >>> impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>> >>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>> basis. >>> >>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> >>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>> >>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>> >>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>> >>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>> >>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/4/2008 10:20:58 PM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
PS The MSKB article was updated Aug 1, 2008 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eHZTaLo9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Thanks. Useful to know. > TF > > "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:uYrLs8k9IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Also, the version you pointed to will not install on XP 32-bit w/SP3. >> There is a version for SP3 but you have to contact Microsoft for the new >> v6 file for SP3. The SP3 file is WindowsXP-KB922120-v6-x86-ENU.exe >> >> >> >> Tom Ferguson wrote: >>> OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for >>> greater clarity. > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 2:48:59 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
I can do that. I'll let you know when I get the files and info together. I did it a couple of months ago, but I don't think I saved it anywhere. me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > Bobby, > > Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can > install LLTD, please? > > > > On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson > <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: > >> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >> >> >> >> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >>> >>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>> >>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>> basis. >>> >>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> >>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>> >>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>> >>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>> >>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>> >>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. > William |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 2:49:58 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
Although the KB is updated, the download link is still for SP2, it's the v5 file. Tom Ferguson wrote: > Updated link PARTICULARLY desirable for XP 32 bit with SP3 installed: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 > > > "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ePOAtZe9IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology >> Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- >> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en >> >> >> -- >> >> Tom >> MSMVP 1998-2007 >> >> >> "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> news:%23IlHo%23b9IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and copy them >>> onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I was then able to >>> 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >>> >>> >>> >>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. Difficult, or >>>> impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>>> >>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>>> basis. >>>> >>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>>> >>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>>> >>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>>> >>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>>> >>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >> > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 2:50:19 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
Although the KB is updated, the download link is still for SP2, it's the v5 file. Tom Ferguson wrote: > PS > The MSKB article was updated Aug 1, 2008 > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 > > "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:eHZTaLo9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Thanks. Useful to know. >> TF >> >> "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> news:uYrLs8k9IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Also, the version you pointed to will not install on XP 32-bit w/SP3. >>> There is a version for SP3 but you have to contact Microsoft for the >>> new v6 file for SP3. The SP3 file is WindowsXP-KB922120-v6-x86-ENU.exe >>> >>> >>> >>> Tom Ferguson wrote: >>>> OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for >>>> greater clarity. >> > |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 4:45:26 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
Is this a valid email? me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > Bobby, > > Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can > install LLTD, please? > > > > On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson > <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: > >> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >> >> >> >> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >>> >>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>> >>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>> basis. >>> >>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> >>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>> >>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>> >>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>> >>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>> >>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. > William |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 5:28:14 AM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
I suppose you do have to look at the section in the MSKB article, toward the bottom, entitled 'Hotfix for Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)' to see that one should contact Microsoft support to get the Hotfix rather than the file downloadable from the page. TF "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:%23VfFhCu9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Although the KB is updated, the download link is still for SP2, it's the > v5 file. > > Tom Ferguson wrote: >> Updated link PARTICULARLY desirable for XP 32 bit with SP3 installed: >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 >> >> >> "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ePOAtZe9IHA.4484@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Glad that proved satisfactory for you. However, Link Layer Topology >>> Discovery (LLTD) Responder, (KB922120), is available here- >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=4f01a31d-ee46-481e-ba11-37f485fa34ea&displaylang=en >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Tom >>> MSMVP 1998-2007 >>> >>> >>> "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23IlHo%23b9IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and copy them >>>> onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I was then able to 'see' >>>> the XP x64 machine from Vista. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. Difficult, or >>>>> impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>>>> >>>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>>>> basis. >>>>> >>>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the >>>>>> 2 >>>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping >>>>>> each >>>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite >>>>>> straightforward >>>>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >>> >> |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 5:28:33 AM |
| From: "Tom Ferguson" [Email Address Protection] |
I suppose you do have to look at the section in the MSKB article, toward the bottom, entitled 'Hotfix for Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)' to see that one should contact Microsoft support to get the Hotfix rather than the file downloadable from the page. TF "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:OXGRtCu9IHA.2348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Although the KB is updated, the download link is still for SP2, it's the > v5 file. > > > Tom Ferguson wrote: >> PS >> The MSKB article was updated Aug 1, 2008 >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120 >> >> "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgroups@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:eHZTaLo9IHA.5700@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Thanks. Useful to know. >>> TF >>> >>> "Bobby Johnson" <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >>> news:uYrLs8k9IHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> Also, the version you pointed to will not install on XP 32-bit w/SP3. >>>> There is a version for SP3 but you have to contact Microsoft for the >>>> new v6 file for SP3. The SP3 file is WindowsXP-KB922120-v6-x86-ENU.exe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom Ferguson wrote: >>>>> OK. I should have added 'for XP 32 bit', after 'available here', for >>>>> greater clarity. >>> >> |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/5/2008 9:47:39 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080509040200050708020901 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > Bobby, > > Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can > install LLTD, please? > > > > On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson > <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: > >> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >> >> >> >> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >>> >>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>> printer! 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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/6/2008 2:40:52 AM |
| From: me@tarquin.demon.co.uk |
It is Bobby. On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:45:26 -0400, Bobby Johnson <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: >Is this a valid email? >me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >> Bobby, >> >> Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can >> install LLTD, please? >> >> >> >> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson >> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: >> >>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >>> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >>> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >>> >>> >>> >>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >>>> >>>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>>> >>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>>> basis. >>>> >>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>>> >>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>>> >>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>>> >>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>>> >>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >> William William |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 8/6/2008 3:34:48 AM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
I sent the files. They are also attached to my previous post. me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: > It is Bobby. > > On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:45:26 -0400, Bobby Johnson > <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: > >> Is this a valid email? >> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>> Bobby, >>> >>> Any chance you could email the files from Vista64 to me so I can >>> install LLTD, please? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:21:16 -0400, Bobby Johnson >>> <rjohnson@aol.NOSPAM.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I did copy the necessary files off a Vista x64 system and >>>> copy them onto my XP x64 system to install LLTD on it. I >>>> was then able to 'see' the XP x64 machine from Vista. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>>> Thank you all very much for you comments and advice. >>>>> >>>>> Difficult, or impossible to set up a simple network based on an X64 >>>>> machine so that a physically connected Vista machine can use the XP64s >>>>> printer! What on earth are Microsoft doing (or not doing)? >>>>> >>>>> I will have another go at it within a few days on the "shared folder" >>>>> basis. >>>>> >>>>> At least it's good to know I wasn't just me doing something stupid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:25:25 +0100, me@tarquin.demon.co.uk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm quite an experienced computer user but have never before tried to >>>>>> set up a home network and I have completely failed to succeed with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Equipment is D/top with XP64, new Samsung Laptop with Vista32 and a >>>>>> fairly new Buffalo wireless/wired router. >>>>>> >>>>>> Both machines connect OK to the internet - D/top via cable to router >>>>>> and laptop by wireless. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I've failed to achieve is to set up a wired network between the 2 >>>>>> machines so we can exchange files and share the use of the printer >>>>>> connected to the D/top machine. However, I have been able to ping each >>>>>> machine from the other. The difficulty seems to be setting up the >>>>>> N/work on the D/top and seeing the laptop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Whereas I'd be delighted for someone to tell me where I've been going >>>>>> wrong, I'm unsure how to properly undo things on the D/top so I can >>>>>> start again and have another go at it. It seems quite straightforward >>>>>> under Vista on the laptop. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone help? It would be much appreciated. >>> William > William |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 10/22/2008 12:29:28 PM |
| From: "Timothy Daniels" [Email Address Protection] |
"Bobby Johnson" wrote: > One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. There > is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. Without > the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine. I came across this thread a couple months later than its posting, but I'd like to register that XP running LLTD seems not to be necessary for XP to be seen by Vista. I have a Vista 32-bit Business Edition with SP1 and an XP Pro Edition with SP3, and they see each other's Shared (XP) and Public (Vista) files just fine without LLTD. XP sees Vista in My Network Places, and Vista sees XP in Network. LLTD seems just necessary to draw the pretty pictures of the connected machines. *TimDaniels* |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 10/22/2008 12:53:15 PM |
| From: Bobby Johnson [Email Address Protection] |
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <big>Have you checked in the network adapter's properties to see if LLTD isn't installed? If your's is working without LLTD then you are just about the only person in the world. When I first encountered this and I did a search via Google there were literally hundreds of posts about the problem and it took me a while to find the solution. Without LLTD installed on my XP 32-bit and XP x64 computers they would not show up in the Vista Network places.<br> <br> This is a direct quote from Microsoft:</big><br> <h4><big>Overview</big></h4> <div class="downloadInfo"><big><span>This package contains the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) responder. The network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view of the computers and devices on your network and how they are connected by using the LLTD protocol. <big><u><i><b>The LLTD responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can be detected and appear on the network map.</b></i></u></big> After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.</span></big></div> <big><br> I surely hope knows a little bit about how Windows works</big>!<br> <br> <br> Timothy Daniels wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:u8R48xHNJHA.3744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">"Bobby Johnson" wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">One of the problems is that for Vista to see XP is the XP needs LLTD. There is a download for XP 32-bit, but I have yet to find one for XP x64. Without the LLTD Vista will never see the XP machine. </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> I came across this thread a couple months later than its posting, but I'd like to register that XP running LLTD seems not to be necessary for XP to be seen by Vista. I have a Vista 32-bit Business Edition with SP1 and an XP Pro Edition with SP3, and they see each other's Shared (XP) and Public (Vista) files just fine without LLTD. XP sees Vista in My Network Places, and Vista sees XP in Network. LLTD seems just necessary to draw the pretty pictures of the connected machines. *TimDaniels* </pre> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html> |
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| Subject: Re: Help! N/working XP64 & Vista 32bit |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 10/22/2008 2:29:25 PM |
| From: "Timothy Daniels" [Email Address Protection] |
I clicked on Start/Settings/Control Panel/Network Connections/Local Area Connection/ Properties, and the GUI says "This connection uses the following items:", and it lists Client for Microsoft Networks, File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks, and Internet Protocol [TCP/IP]", and all 3 items are checked. Is that what you mean? Regarding the quote from Microsoft, note that it says "The network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view...", and "The LLTD responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can be detected and appear on the network map." If "network map" means Vista's "Network" list, then Microsoft is saying that XP needs LLTD. But if "network map" means the "graphical view", than XP doesn't need LLTD. Maybe my XP Pro/SP3 already has LLTD. But I sure don't remember downloading and installing it. *TimDaniels* "Bobby Johnson" wrote: > Have you checked in the network adapter's properties to see if LLTD isn't > installed? > If your's is working without LLTD then you are just about the only person in > the world. > When I first encountered this and I did a search via Google there were > literally hundreds > of posts about the problem and it took me a while to find the solution. > Without LLTD > installed on my XP 32-bit and XP x64 computers they would not show up in the > Vista |