| Subject: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/13/2008 2:53:51 PM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
While it seems that pains have been taken to not mention "tablet" anywhere associated with this box, it looks and works like tablet plus it comes with Journal... very interesting. HP TouchSmart IQ505 PC <http://www.live.hpeasset.webcollage.net/server/samsclub/hpeasset-product-content/si?ws-action=http://www.live.hpeasset.webcollage.net/educational-content/2541.html?channel-product-id%3d401745%26showtabs%3dtrue%26wcpc%3dkz631aa%26format%3dpopup~MarkupType!document!PresentationFormat!html,http://content.webcollage.net/samsclub/product-content-page?channel-product-id%3d401745%26wcpid%3dhpeasset-kz631aa%26report-event%3dproduct-button-click%26usemap%3d0> Nice presentation... make sure your subwoofer is on and the volume is up before you go there ;-) Seen it in person and it's definitely not a "portable" but looks as if it would make a nice addition to any "media room." <http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=401745> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/13/2008 3:21:19 PM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
amazingly, it looks as if it has no video out options... Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 3:49:57 AM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] schrieb: > Seen it in person and it's definitely not a "portable" but looks as > if it would make a nice addition to any "media room." Seems to be a really nice innovation. Wanna have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 9:29:46 AM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> Wanna have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! << That was my first impression, _but_ it is specifically designed as the center point for the user as it has no video output options. The assumption being, I assume, if you are going to watch content, you will never look at anything other than this unit... i.e. you can't use your big screen tv, projector or alternate monitor to watch netflix downloads or flash content with others. Anyone have any experience with usb video adapters? If using one is feasable for running full color XGA output, this might be in the running for eventual replacement of the $150 used dell mini which is now functioning as our "media computer." Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 9:58:20 AM |
| From: "Sinner" [Email Address Protection] |
"Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in message news:uniiwri$IHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> Wanna have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! << > > That was my first impression, _but_ it is specifically designed as the > center point for the user as it has no video output options. > > The assumption being, I assume, if you are going to watch content, you > will never look at anything other than this unit... i.e. you can't use > your big screen tv, projector or alternate monitor to watch netflix > downloads or flash content with others. > > Anyone have any experience with usb video adapters? If using one is > feasable for running full color XGA output, this might be in the running > for eventual replacement of the $150 used dell mini which is now > functioning as our "media computer." > At 22", that's larger than the largest TV I owned up until about 8 years ago. |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 2:27:10 PM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
Just back from sam's where I looked at and used one for about half an hour and confirmed no video ports of any kind, in or out, just usb, (5) ethernet, firewire,(?) memory card slot, digital audio and analog audio out. The sam's $1,300 unit has half a terrabyte hard drive, four gigs of ram and the touch screen had no problems with anything I tried using fingers, although the screen was not calibrated correctly which created a few glitches. It's tablet on vista premium and includes windows media center. One surprising fact was that the (very thin and light) RF wireless keyboard has excellent range... was able to take it far enough away to the point I could barely see the start menu pop up (~60-70') and it still had a good connection. Had it had video out ports, I might be $1,300 poorer at the moment ;-) Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 10:13:02 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> Wanna have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! << > > That was my first impression, _but_ it is specifically designed as > the center point for the user as it has no video output options. Right. > The assumption being, I assume, if you are going to watch content, > you will never look at anything other than this unit... i.e. you > can't use your big screen tv, projector or alternate monitor to > watch netflix downloads or flash content with others. Seems to be the direction of the designers' thinking ... > Anyone have any experience with usb video adapters? If using one is > feasable for running full color XGA output, this might be in the > running for eventual replacement of the $150 used dell mini which > is now functioning as our "media computer." XGA output? AFAICS yesterday's cares. A standard which is more than only a bit low, IMHO. 10:6 meanwhile is the standard for TVs over here and HD-TV is marching strong. With a 22" widescreen display on the device itself what need for video output except TV (projectors left alone)? Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/14/2008 10:52:10 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: > Just back from sam's where I looked at and used one for about half > an hour and confirmed no video ports of any kind, in or out, just usb, > (5) ethernet, firewire,(?) memory card slot, digital audio and > analog audio out. That's what the specs say. I too wondered about that. But it seems to be the designers' decision, God knows why ... > The sam's $1,300 unit has half a terrabyte hard drive, four gigs of > ram and the touch screen had no problems with anything I tried using > fingers, although the screen was not calibrated correctly which > created a few glitches. > It's tablet on vista premium and includes windows media center. Sounds good (as the video and the specs brochure). As to the "tablet" features: How about using a pen? In the demos there only was a finger, but that might be pretty dumb for sketches, the usage on ON etc., etc. > One surprising fact was that the (very thin and light) RF wireless > keyboard has excellent range... was able to take it far enough away > to the point I could barely see the start menu pop up (~60-70') and it > still had a good connection. So it really would be usable from the sofa ;-) Having been using wireless desktop sets (keyboard+mouse) - radio as well as Bluetooth - for quite some years, I would have assumed that. My proposals for add-ons: a) Logitech "Harmony� One Advanced Universal Remote" http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/devices/3898&cl=DE,DE?WT.mc_id=ps_google_harmony-one-spot_0108_emea&strf=Paid_Search&WT.srch=1&gclid=CIe0h7CMj5UCFSbTXgodQEUigQ or b) Logitech "MX AirT Rechargeable Cordless Air Mouse" http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3443&cl=de,de which is movement sensitive (technology licensed from Gyration) or c) Gyration "Air Music Remote" http://www.gyration.com/ http://www.hera.hs-heilbronn.de/rt/Air_Music_Remote.gif The Gyration technology is really great. I'm using a Gyration "Air Transporter Presenter" http://www.gyration.com/c-21-presentation-pointers.aspx for my lectures. It comes really handy in connection with my HP tc1100 for my "advanced" PPT-presentations which are loaded with hyperlinks. Moving the hand moves the cursor and it's just a click. And the transmitter USB-stick has flash memory of 1GB (there's 2GB models too) which holds a ton of PPT-files. So it's almost "presenting everywhere" ;-) > Had it had video out ports, I might be $1,300 poorer at the moment > ;-) The family's budget manager most probably glad about the missing video port <gbg>. Christmas will come pretty soon <bg> and by then you might have checked USB and WLAN solutions for transmitting video to the TV (there are quite some, AFAICS) ;-) Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/15/2008 8:11:31 AM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> How about using a pen? << It's obvious the screen was designed for fingers... thick soft covering. since it's "touch" assume anything with a smooth, rounded non scratch point would work, but can't think of a material I would want to use on a daily basis at the moment... the angle is not really conducive to writing. >> wireless desktop sets (keyboard+mouse) - radio as well as Bluetooth - for quite some years, I would have assumed that << Blutooth range has been great, but, all of the rf kb/mouse options I have tried to date have been very limited in range... would assume that "presentation" items would be better. >> XGA output? << Our media setup is based on an XGA dlp projector... no other screen in sight. >> harmony << Already there... hope you didn't update your remote this week ;-) (check the user forum) Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/15/2008 1:53:25 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> How about using a pen? << > > It's obvious the screen was designed for fingers... thick soft > covering. > > since it's "touch" assume anything with a smooth, rounded non > scratch point would work, but can't think of a material I would > want to use on a daily basis at the moment... the angle is not > really conducive to writing. That was my impression from the video. >>> wireless desktop sets (keyboard+mouse) - radio as well > as Bluetooth - for quite some years, I would have assumed that << > > Blutooth range has been great, but, all of the rf kb/mouse options I > have tried to date have been very limited in range... would assume > that "presentation" items would be better. Ma Gyration presenter easily covers 100 yards. >>> XGA output? << > > Our media setup is based on an XGA dlp projector... no other screen > in sight. Oh, I see. Thought that it would be for your home ;-) >>> harmony << > > Already there... hope you didn't update your remote this week ;-) > (check the user forum) I have not got any of the three mentioned. No PC-based multimedia environment at home (only good old high-end HiFi form 90ies <bg>). And for presentations I use either the said Gyration presenter or the most sophisticated MoGo presenter: http://www.newtonperipherals.com/mogo_mouseX54pro.html View MoGo Demo Video - 70 Seconds Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 6:32:42 AM |
| From: "Sven" [Email Address Protection] |
That's true. Not a one. No VGA/DVI or even HDMI. I was really considering one as the MCE driver for my big Plasma, but HP totally blew that. Amazing. On the other hand it really is a nice unit, and much more responsive than you might expect. Would make a nice college Dorm PC/Media center. "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" <BevNoSpamBevHoward.com> wrote in message news:u68vkLZ$IHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > amazingly, it looks as if it has no video out options... > > Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 9:43:24 AM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> That's true. Not a one. No VGA/DVI or even HDMI. << That's the second time in a year that HP has prevented me from purchasing expensive HP items... I really, really wanted to be able to justify this for what it _does_ offer, but finally decided to wait for a more "user centric" company came out with a competitor. >> Would make a nice college Dorm PC/Media center. << Yes, BUT!!! looking around, learned that you need to make sure it's the HP TouchSmart IQ506t ($200 more) as the cheaper model does NOT have a TV tuner. <http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?template_type=series_detail&category=desktops&series_name=IQ506t_series&jumpid=oc_R1002_USENC-001_HP%20TouchSmart%20IQ506t%20CTO%20Desktop%20PC&lang=en&cc=us> Beverly Howard |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 10:51:05 AM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> That's true. Not a one. No VGA/DVI or even HDMI. << > > That's the second time in a year that HP has prevented me from > purchasing expensive HP items... Did anybody meanwhile check if there are some USB-devices for the support of external video devices? Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 11:43:21 AM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> external video devices? << The only one I came up with was svga (800x600) which is understandable using a usb connection... hmmm, didn't look for firewire options though. Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 12:37:34 PM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> firewire to video out << more options... but, prices which make staying with a traditional box attractive... some samples at; <http://www.synthetic-ap.com/tips/firewireconverters.html> Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 7:37:14 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> firewire to video out << > > more options... but, prices which make staying with a traditional > box attractive... some samples at; > > <http://www.synthetic-ap.com/tips/firewireconverters.html> Really sad {siiiigh} Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/25/2008 7:40:21 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> external video devices? << > > The only one I came up with was svga (800x600) which is > understandable using a usb connection... > > hmmm, didn't look for firewire options though. If I understood you right, one of your main ideas was to use it with a projector. Perhaps getting a new projector with WLAN access could solve the problem? Rainald |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/26/2008 10:27:21 AM |
| From: "Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev]" [Email Address Protection] |
>> a new projector with WLAN access << You have my attention... can you reference one? It's unlikely to happen before this projector croaks, but would like to educate myself in the mean time. One key question for me would be how the computer would output onscreen video to the network. Thanks, Beverly Howard [MS MVP-Mobile Devices] |
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| Subject: Re: Mainstream Tablet??? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.tabletpc |
| Date: 8/26/2008 2:06:25 PM |
| From: "Rainald Taesler" [Email Address Protection] |
Beverly Howard [Ms-MVP/MobileDev] wrote: >>> a new projector with WLAN access << > > You have my attention... can you reference one? Sorry, no. AFAICS all of the major manufacturers have something in their portfolio. But the market differs a bit between Germany and the US. I was after that a longer while ago in order to steer my PPT-presentation "unplugged" either from my TabletPC or a PDA. The administration was not too embarrassed and I just was not too tough after it. So the topic fell a bit behind. But my time will come ;-) > It's unlikely to happen before this projector croaks, but would > like to educate myself in the mean time. A "slate", a subnotebook or a UMPC (and depending on the basic construction of a screenshow even a PDA) connected without a cable IMO does add a lot to teaching. > One key question for me would be how the computer would output > onscreen video to the network. When researching on the WLAN features of projectors the output mostly was quite good. Rainald |
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