| Subject: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:15:00 PM |
| From: =?Utf-8?B?Rmx5ZXJmYW4yNw==?= [Email Address Protection] |
Hello, I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I can't add anything to help with that protection. All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! Best regard, James |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:27:27 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Hello, > > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I >installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's >place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista >built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 >programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 >programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my >router Your router has a firewall too, so you are FINE when it comes to firewalls and anti-virus You might install a couple of anti-malware apps to keep in reserve as well: Spybot Search & Destroy, SuperAntispyware, and Malwarebytes are all good candidates and are all FREE. The first one even installs a resident program called "teatimer" that keeps a monitor on any attempted registry changes. and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is >always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will >have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the >Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I >can't add anything to help with that protection. > > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! > >Best regard, >James |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:33:00 PM |
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" [Email Address Protection] |
Install a good, comprehensive, security program, such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to worry about those issues. You can try it FREE for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version and includes a very robust firewall. http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com... Hello, I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I can't add anything to help with that protection. All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! Best regard, James |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:38:23 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >Install a good, comprehensive, security program, >such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >and includes a very robust firewall. So does his router. That plus Vista's native firewall will cover him just fine in that department and it won't cost him anything. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:41:59 PM |
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" [Email Address Protection] |
It's cheap insurance.... -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:nbrn84ts6kajn3ombm7esfts1kp05qpl44@4ax.com... On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >Install a good, comprehensive, security program, >such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >and includes a very robust firewall. So does his router. That plus Vista's native firewall will cover him just fine in that department and it won't cost him anything. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 8:45:06 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:41:59 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >It's cheap insurance.... Doesn't need any. He also has a great A-V program, Defender, and will add a couple more malware programs. He can spend the money on an external USB hard drive and use it for backups. That's GREAT insurance. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 9:08:25 PM |
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" [Email Address Protection] |
Famous last words: "Doesn't need any". So if the OP should inadvertently have a rouge key logger installed, you don't mind that the OP's personal financial information could be transmitted without his knowledge...happens all the time! -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vnrn8490iifuncbqnmft9eeiavaoc5o3ov@4ax.com... On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:41:59 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >It's cheap insurance.... Doesn't need any. He also has a great A-V program, Defender, and will add a couple more malware programs. He can spend the money on an external USB hard drive and use it for backups. That's GREAT insurance. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 9:13:30 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:08:25 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >Famous last words: "Doesn't need any". So if the OP should >inadvertently have a rouge key logger installed, you don't mind >that the OP's personal financial information could be >transmitted without his knowledge...happens all the time! I have never seen you suggest any of the fine FREE programs that are available... only the ones that MS collects cash from. Why is that? I can't recall seeing ANY other MVP do the same. In fact, most of them are suggesting the free software. I value their opinions WAY more than I do yours... as you are well aware. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 9:23:43 PM |
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" [Email Address Protection] |
I had used Avast for a number of years. When I tried Windows OneCare, I was amazed at the performance improvement of my PC as it uses very little system resources. OneCare is far more comprehensive than the so-called "free" antivirus programs. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:rbtn849dbkdips9ajmmls24cld8d86g8c3@4ax.com... On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:08:25 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >Famous last words: "Doesn't need any". So if the OP should >inadvertently have a rouge key logger installed, you don't mind >that the OP's personal financial information could be >transmitted without his knowledge...happens all the time! I have never seen you suggest any of the fine FREE programs that are available... only the ones that MS collects cash from. Why is that? I can't recall seeing ANY other MVP do the same. In fact, most of them are suggesting the free software. I value their opinions WAY more than I do yours... as you are well aware. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 9:52:25 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >no need to install a multitude of different security software. With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend money. Your ol' buddy, Barney Fife |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 10:08:42 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:03:01 -0700, Flyerfan27 <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Hello Nonny, > > Thank you for replying to my question. It is very kind of you to help me >and to tell me about the other programs I need. I am heading to bed now, but >will defiantly look into them tomorrow. I believe I have the spy-bot already, >but will check to make sure. > > I wouldn't necessarily need free software, but what the software companies >are charging is getting out of hand. There renewal fees for each year is too >high. That is the cause of me wanting free software. I was going to sign up >for AVG's premium service for fifty some dollars until I saw it was for one >year. I don't mind paying $30.00 to $57.00 for the software & for the first >year subscription. Then I don't even mind to pay a renewal fee every year, >but the renewal fee for each year has to go way down. It is robbery to have >to keep paying that same $30.00 to $57.00 a year to keep the software up to >date. I understand they have to keep up with the ever growing threats, but >that is what new subscribers help to pay for. The companies are over charging >causing more and more people to go to free software. They have to be losing >more money because of that; I would think. > > Anyway; thanks again for all the help. I really do appreciate it. I hope >you are enjoying the weekend. > >James Glad that I could help. As for my enjoying my weekend... I'm retired so every day is a weekend day! As long as I have more food to eat than I could eat, and my computer is able to connect to the 'net (I have a backup, just in case), I'm a happy camper. > > > >"Nonny" wrote: > >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >Hello, >> > >> > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I >> >installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's >> >place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista >> >built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 >> >programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 >> >programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my >> >router >> >> Your router has a firewall too, so you are FINE when it comes to >> firewalls and anti-virus >> >> You might install a couple of anti-malware apps to keep in reserve as >> well: >> >> Spybot Search & Destroy, SuperAntispyware, and Malwarebytes are all >> good candidates and are all FREE. >> >> The first one even installs a resident program called "teatimer" that >> keeps a monitor on any attempted registry changes. >> >> >> and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is >> >always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I >> will >> >have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the >> >Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I >> >can't add anything to help with that protection. >> > >> > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! >> > >> >Best regard, >> >James >> |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 10:33:25 PM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:22:01 -0700, Flyerfan27 <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Thank you for replying to my question and for your suggestion. I am >defiantly going to look into OneCare. I was not just necessarily looking for >free software. I do have to say that the cost will come into play. I don't >mind paying for the software and even paying a yearly subscription fee, but >it will have to be very reasonable. I was going to subscribe to AVG's premium >service until I saw the price. They wanted fifty some dollars for one year. I >wouldn't mind paying $50.00 for the first year, but to keep charging that >price each year is robbery. Then yer not gonna like OneCare. > >Thanks again, >James > > >"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote: > >> Install a good, comprehensive, security program, >> such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >> worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >> for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >> and includes a very robust firewall. >> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm >> >> -- >> Carey Frisch >> Microsoft MVP >> Windows Desktop Experience - >> Windows Vista Enthusiast >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com... >> Hello, >> >> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I >> installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's >> place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista >> built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 >> programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 >> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my >> router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is >> always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will >> have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the >> Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I >> can't add anything to help with that protection. >> >> All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! >> >> Best regard, >> James >> |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 12:12:19 AM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 wrote: > Hello, > > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I > installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in McAfee's > place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista > built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 > programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 > programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my > router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop is > always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will > have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed the > Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know I > can't add anything to help with that protection. > > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using. Managing the Windows Vista Firewall http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc510323.aspx Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available). Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing activity, controls applications internet access. http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/ The free version may be all you need, check the comparisons under the "Download and Buy" link. There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other brand. The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use. The way you use your PC is different from others. Have a look at this: http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm and be guided accordingly. Good info can be obtained here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20 and here: http://www.av-comparatives.org/ If the above is too deluging consider this:- Real-time AV applications - for viral malware. Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine! Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection. Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tutorials/email-scanning/index.htm Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx Avira AntiVir� Personal - FREE Antivirus http://www.free-av.com/ You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen' http://www.elitekiller.com/files/disable_antivir_nag.htm or Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class GMER technology. http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html (Choose Custom Installation and under Resident Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.) or AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition http://free.grisoft.com/ (Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.) or ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free http://www.eset.com/ or Kaspersky� Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser and (optional but highly recommendable) On-demand AV applications. (add them to your arsenal and use them as a "second opinion" av scanner). David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV Tool http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp English: http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/01/09/scan-your-computer-with-multiple-anti-virus-for-free/ Additional Instructions: http://pcdid.com/Multi_AV.htm ---and/or--- Kaspersky's AVPTool http://downloads5.kaspersky-labs.com/devbuilds/AVPTool/ There's no updating involved since the scanning engine is updated several times a day and you simply download the updated scanner whenever you want to do a scan. Dr.Web CureIt!� Utility - FREE http://www.freedrweb.com/cureit/ Malwarebytes� Corporation - Anti-Malware http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam/program/mbam-setup.exe Note: It is Free for private use. Just download (do NOT buy) and install. A-S applications - for non-viral malware. The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what another may miss, (grab'em all). SuperAntispyware - Free http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html and Ad-Aware 2007 - Free http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html and Spybot Search & Destroy - Free http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html and Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista) http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware and worms to install to the OS. Interesting reading: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html "...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about the actual threat." A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for "malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc. What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware and adware. Many experts suggest that Windows Live One Care is on the bottom of the list as far as finding virus\malware\trojan. Good luck :) |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 3:13:20 AM |
| From: "Marc " [Email Address Protection] |
"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] > <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: > >>With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>no need to install a multitude of different security software. > > With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend > money. Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure. Hope that changes with Windows 7. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 5:30:03 AM |
| From: "Ryan Hayward" [Email Address Protection] |
I use Eset's Smart Security, winpatrol, spyware blaster and Superantispyware. Only Eset will cost you money but its well worth it. Just be sure to setup the firewall for 2 way protection. If you want automatic updates with the other programs, it'll cost you but not much. "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I > installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in > McAfee's > place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the > Vista > built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 > programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 > programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my > router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop > is > always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will > have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed > the > Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know > I > can't add anything to help with that protection. > > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! > > Best regard, > James |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 5:48:29 AM |
| From: "Marc " [Email Address Protection] |
"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:k3ko841a78ah31vh08sl4egqjkmho6gr0e@4ax.com... > If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows > has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as > Windows does now. A sizable chunk of the world's web sites DO run Linux or Unix. OK so web server admins are less likely to run harmful code, but the design of Windows does make it easier for Viruses to get in. Vista has improved this, but the fact that we still need to pay for extra software means it's a is a failure. It's akin to a car leaking oil, and rather than plug the hole, just keep filling it up, and have someone drive behind you to clear up the mess. Not a long term solution really, is it? I have to use Windows because I develop with .NET - but Macs are gaining ground, precisely because users don't have to worry about viruses, and because they don't have to slow down their computers with Anti virus, anti malware, anti spyware, anti adware rubbish, which is usually poorly written bloatware. If Microsoft can get away with releasing a version of Windows based on a more modern API (with sandboxed, virtualization used for old programs) that doesn't require software to watch everything that happens, in case it might be a virus then they can easily become a dominant platform for the next 10 years. If they release another update to the current state of affairs then I can see them eventually loosing it. Marc |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 6:06:55 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Nonny wrote: >> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend >>>> money. >>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay secure. >>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >> >> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows >> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as >> Windows does now. > > That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to believe. > It just isn't true. > > Alias That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as much. Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does and will get attacked. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 6:39:51 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Nonny wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. >>> I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in >>> McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but >>> saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My >>> question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my >>> laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? >>> My desktop is hard wired to my router >> >> Your router has a firewall too, > > Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. > This is garbage Alias. A router is a border device that sits at the junction point between two networks,the network it is protecting from usually the Internet and the network it is protecting the LAN. The router has one thing that makes it more of a FW than Vista host based personal firewall/personal packet filter, any host based 3rd party personal firewall/packet filter or any host based firewall/packet filter running on Linux too that a home user would be using, and the network packets must travel between these two interfaces with NAT allowing the inbound packets to pass between the two interfaces or NAT drops the inbound packets that were not solicted. The router has the two network interfaces with one network interface facing the network it is protecting from with the WAN port and the network interface that is protecting the LAN, LAN ports. A FW reduces the risk of damage that can be spread from one network to another network just like a firedoor that reduces the spread of fire from one room to another. The earliest forms of firewalls were and are routers, because of their ability to separate networks to reduces the risk of damage spreading between networks, a barrier device, and they don't need any packet filtering software running on them such as something you're calling FW software, for it to act naturally as FW, barrier or border device to protect a network. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 6:59:26 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Nonny wrote: >>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend >>>>>> money. >>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay >>>>> secure. >>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >>>> >>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows >>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as >>>> Windows does now. >>> >>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>> believe. It just isn't true. >>> >>> Alias >> >> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is >> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not >> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform >> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as >> much. >> >> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that >> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They >> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does >> and will get attacked. > > Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be > compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the > keyboard and mouse. > You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias. Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet and made its way to Earth. Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the MS platform. That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to think that will not happen. You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of that with a total brainwashing. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:16:36 AM |
| From: Alias [Email Address Protection] |
Kicking Albright wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Nonny wrote: >>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. >>>> I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection >>>> in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, >>>> but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took over that job. >>>> My question is do these 2 programs give me enough protection for my >>>> laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop computer? >>>> My desktop is hard wired to my router >>> >>> Your router has a firewall too, >> >> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >> > > This is garbage Alias. Um, no it isn't. Alias |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:31:17 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Nonny wrote: >>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium >>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus >>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall >>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took >>>>> over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough >>>>> protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect >>>>> my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router >>>> >>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>> >>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>> >> >> This is garbage Alias. > > Um, no it isn't. > Yes it is Alais. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:33:44 AM |
| From: Hobbes [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400 Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote: > Alias wrote: > > Kicking Albright wrote: > >> Alias wrote: > >>> Nonny wrote: > >>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 > >>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home > >>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for > >>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a > >>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows > >>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs > >>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 > >>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard > >>>>> wired to my router > >>>> > >>>> Your router has a firewall too, > >>> > >>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. > >>> > >> > >> This is garbage Alias. > > > > Um, no it isn't. > > > > Yes it is Alais. Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind. -- |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:43:34 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>> Alias wrote: >>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend >>>>>>>> money. >>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay >>>>>>> secure. >>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows >>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as >>>>>> Windows does now. >>>>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>>>> believe. It just isn't true. >>>>> >>>>> Alias >>>> >>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is >>>> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are >>>> not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS >>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using >>>> the O/S as much. >>>> >>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that >>>> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They >>>> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does >>>> and will get attacked. >>> >>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be >>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on >>> the keyboard and mouse. >>> >> >> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by fallible >> human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time can't be >> attacked in the wrong hands Alias. >> >> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT written >> by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some distant planet >> and made its way to Earth. >> >> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever be >> perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only thing >> Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the masses. So >> the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do with the MS >> platform. >> >> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so >> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands >> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't expose >> the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous to think >> that will not happen. >> >> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of >> that with a total brainwashing. >> > > I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is hurl > unfounded insults. Ho hum. > I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen, Alias. <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>>>> believe. It just isn't true. You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S in the wrong hands. You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you always go into a tap dance, jig and spin. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 3:44:30 AM |
| From: Btman [Email Address Protection] |
I found a program online to test how well your firewall works: 'GRC�|�LeakTest -- Firewall Leakage Tester��' (http://www.grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm) I can't comment on the reliability of the program but for me, the windows firewall needs to be on its maximum setting to work, so I use Kaspersky's firewall which is described as working aggresively and properly. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:14:27 AM |
| From: Alias [Email Address Protection] |
Kicking Albright wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium >>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus >>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall >>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall took >>>>>> over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me enough >>>>>> protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to protect >>>>>> my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router >>>>> >>>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>>> >>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>>> >>> >>> This is garbage Alias. >> >> Um, no it isn't. >> > > Yes it is Alais. Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise. Alias |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:22:02 AM |
| From: "Kerry Brown" [Email Address Protection] |
Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will still be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or whatever you want to call it. Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up date. Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a month you should manually check for updates on every program you have installed. You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If you see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs updating pay attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then allow the update. If you don't recognise it find out what it is and why it's warning you. Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt pops up unexpectedly then figure out why before you allow it. If you're not sure write down the details of what you were doing that caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see what may have caused it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to install or allow something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click on an ad on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you were expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know don't open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If you weren't expecting it then email them to see if they really sent the attachment before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of something, don't do it until you are sure. Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead of the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will make you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping everything on your computer up to date, then lastly installing anti-malware software. -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/ "Flyerfan27" <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:AF88953C-AC42-4BD6-A518-74553277FEE0@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium OP. I > installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus protection in > McAfee's > place. I was going to look for a firewall program too, but saw that the > Vista > built in Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 > programs give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 > programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my > router and I have Verizon Fios cable for my internet provider. My desktop > is > always on and always connected to the internet. I want to make sure I will > have enough protection before I make any changes to my desktop. I noticed > the > Windows Firewall says you should only have one firewall running so I know > I > can't add anything to help with that protection. > > All and any comments are welcome. Thank you in advance for your replies! > > Best regard, > James |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:32:06 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> >>>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium >>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus >>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall >>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall >>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me >>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to >>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is garbage Alias. >>> >>> >>> Um, no it isn't. >>> >> >> Yes it is Alais. > > > Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise. > > Alias You are stupidly arrogant. Get lost loser. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:35:25 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>> Alias wrote: >>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium >>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus >>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall >>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall >>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me >>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to >>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router >>>>>> >>>>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>>>> >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>>>> >>>> >>>> This is garbage Alias. >>> >>> Um, no it isn't. >>> >> >> Yes it is Alais. > > Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise. A router that is used in the home sector is not running FW software. One doesn't go around turning on or enabling FW software on a true packet filtering FW router, which the FW is on by default and doing its job. The router acts as a FW naturally and doesn't need to have something enabled or disable to act as a border device or FW. <copied - You came with this off the wall statement which is not correct. A router acts as a border device or firewall naturally by blocking all unsolicited inbound packets by default and allows solicited inbound packets to any computer that has sent outbound packets to a remote IP -- the solicitation for traffic. >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. That statement above is BS, because a router does that naturally by the use of NAT and doesn't need something enabled to do so. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:35:03 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Nonny wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>>>> >>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend >>>>>> money. >>>>> >>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay >>>>> secure. >>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >>>> >>>> >>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that Windows >>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break it as >>>> Windows does now. >>> >>> >>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>> believe. It just isn't true. >>> >>> Alias >> >> >> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux is >> not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they are not >> coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS platform >> because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector using the O/S as >> much. >> >> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings that >> develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S itself. They >> are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the wrong hands does >> and will get attacked. > > > Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be > compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on the > keyboard and mouse. Exactly! And that is why you proly have an infected box and don't even know it. > > Alias |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:38:14 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kicking Albright wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> >>>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " >>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to spend >>>>>>>>>> money. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to stay >>>>>>>>> secure. >>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that >>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break >>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>> Windows does now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alias >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux >>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they >>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS >>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector >>>>>> using the O/S as much. >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings >>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S >>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the >>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be >>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands on >>>>> the keyboard and mouse. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by >>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time >>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias. >>>> >>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT >>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some >>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth. >>>> >>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever >>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only >>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the >>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they do >>>> with the MS platform. >>>> >>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so >>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands >>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't >>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous >>>> to think that will not happen. >>>> >>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all of >>>> that with a total brainwashing. >>>> >>> >>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is >>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum. >>> >> >> >> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then >> get out of the kitchen, Alias. >> > > When you post the truth, I'll alert the media. > >> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.> >> >> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true. > > > No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill. > > Now the insults continue: > >> >> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any >> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S >> in the wrong hands. >> >> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you >> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin. > > > More insults but no proof. How surprising. > You keep getting your stupid ass kicked and don't even know it. That's why you proly have an infected box and your stupid arrogance won't let you admit it. Get lost troll. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:39:28 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kerry Brown wrote: >> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a >> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is >> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will >> still be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or >> whatever you want to call it. >> >> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping >> your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping >> your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You >> need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up date. >> Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a >> month you should manually check for updates on every program you have >> installed. >> >> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If >> you see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs >> updating pay attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then >> allow the update. If you don't recognise it find out what it is and >> why it's warning you. Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt >> pops up unexpectedly then figure out why before you allow it. If >> you're not sure write down the details of what you were doing that >> caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see what may have caused >> it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to install or allow >> something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click on an ad >> on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you were >> expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know don't >> open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If you >> weren't expecting it then email them to see if they really sent the >> attachment before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of >> something, don't do it until you are sure. >> >> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead >> of the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will >> make you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping >> everything on your computer up to date, then lastly installing >> anti-malware software. >> > > Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and move > up to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows. > > www.ubuntu.com > This is garbage Alias because I have used both O/S platforms Windows and Linux, and I have had no problems with the security of either O/S. One has to educate one's self on how to do the right thing security wise with either platform and then implement it. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:44:21 AM |
| From: "Kerry Brown" [Email Address Protection] |
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message news:g6i43c$2h6$1@registered.motzarella.org... > Kerry Brown wrote: >> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a >> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is >> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will still >> be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or whatever >> you want to call it. >> >> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping your >> computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping your >> computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You need to >> make sure every program installed on your computer is up date. Many of >> them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a month you >> should manually check for updates on every program you have installed. >> >> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If you >> see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs updating pay >> attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then allow the update. >> If you don't recognise it find out what it is and why it's warning you. >> Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt pops up unexpectedly >> then figure out why before you allow it. If you're not sure write down >> the details of what you were doing that caused it, don't allow it, then >> Google it to see what may have caused it. If you are on a web site and >> you are prompted to install or allow something unexpectedly don't do it. >> Never, ever, ever click on an ad on any web site. Never, ever open any >> email attachment unless you were expecting it. Even if the attachment is >> from someone you know don't open it unless you were expecting an >> attachment form them. If you weren't expecting it then email them to see >> if they really sent the attachment before opening it. Basically if you're >> not sure of something, don't do it until you are sure. >> >> Malware is very big business. The malware developers are always ahead of >> the anti-malware developers. There is no magic software that will make >> you invulnerable. Your best defense is user education, keeping everything >> on your computer up to date, then lastly installing anti-malware >> software. >> > > Actually, the best defense is to not use Windows of any flavor and move up > to Linux Ubuntu which is bullet proof compared to Windows. > My whole post applies to Linux, OS/X, or any other OS you care to use. You need to practice common sense and keep all programs up to date with any OS. http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb07-20.html An old version of flash installed in Linux could allow your router to be reprogrammed with a malicious DNS server redirecting your DNS requests for your bank to point to a phishing site that steals your password. To use the Internet today you are saddled with 3rd party applications that may be vulnerable to cross platform exploits. Security is much more complicated than just switching OS'. -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/ |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 8:52:51 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: >> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, then >> get out of the kitchen, Alias. >> > > When you post the truth, I'll alert the media. I have not see too much truth come out of you. I have seen a lot of spin according to you with absolutely nothing to back it up, other than, your lip service. When you post the truth, then I'll alert the galaxy. > >> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.> >> >> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true. > > No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill. That's according to you and your view. Just because you said it doesn't make it the truth. And you calling someone a shill when you don't know the facts about the person is an insult. > > Now the insults continue: > >> >> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any >> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S >> in the wrong hands. >> You call that above an insult? You obviously don't know what an insult is although you do use them. >> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you >> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin. > > More insults but no proof. How surprising. This is a lot of lip service Alias (the king of lip service). You tickle me with how goody two shoes you are, a saint that you are and you're not either one of them evident by your posts that I have seen. You are blind to your own self. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:13:17 AM |
| From: Alias [Email Address Protection] |
Kicking Albright wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home Premium >>>>>>>> OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for virus >>>>>>>> protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a firewall >>>>>>>> program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows Firewall >>>>>>>> took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs give me >>>>>>>> enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 programs to >>>>>>>> protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>>>>> >>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is garbage Alias. >>>> >>>> Um, no it isn't. >>>> >>> >>> Yes it is Alais. >> >> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise. > > > A router that is used in the home sector is not running FW software. One > doesn't go around turning on or enabling FW software on a true packet > filtering FW router, which the FW is on by default and doing its job. > The router acts as a FW naturally and doesn't need to have something > enabled or disable to act as a border device or FW. > > <copied - You came with this off the wall statement which is not > correct. A router acts as a border device or firewall naturally by > blocking all unsolicited inbound packets by default and allows solicited > inbound packets to any computer that has sent outbound packets to a > remote IP -- the solicitation for traffic. > > >>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. > > That statement above is BS, because a router does that naturally by the > use of NAT and doesn't need something enabled to do so. I have installed dozens of routers and ALL of them, be they Conceptronic, Edimax or whatever come with a default blank password and the firewall disabled. Maybe you should check yours being as you're using the virus prone Windows. Alias |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:14:07 AM |
| From: Hobbes [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:08:52 +0200 Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote: > Hobbes wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:15:02 +0200 > > Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> Hobbes wrote: > >>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:31:17 -0400 > >>> Kicking Albright <Albright@Kicking.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Alias wrote: > >>>>> Kicking Albright wrote: > >>>>>> Alias wrote: > >>>>>>> Nonny wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 > >>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home > >>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus > >>>>>>>>> for virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look > >>>>>>>>> for a firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in > >>>>>>>>> Windows Firewall took over that job. My question is do > >>>>>>>>> these 2 programs give me enough protection for my laptop? > >>>>>>>>> Can I trust these 2 programs to protect my desktop > >>>>>>>>> computer? My desktop is hard wired to my router > >>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too, > >>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by > >>>>>>> default. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> This is garbage Alias. > >>>>> Um, no it isn't. > >>>>> > >>>> Yes it is Alais. > >>> Alias doesn't know squat...pay him no mind. > >>> > >> Another who can only hurl personal attacks and offer no > >> substantiation. > >> > >> Alias > > > > You asked in alt.os.linux.ubuntu how to get new linux kernel to > > show up in Synaptic. > > That substantiates that "you don't know squat" > > Not knowing everything and "you don't know squat" are two different > things but you knew that, didn't you? I have never claimed to be an > Ubuntu expert. > > > > > Lucky for you, I knew (tho I am very new user). > > Why? I have no interest in installing a kernel that hasn't been > released in the Ubuntu repository. > > > > > Notice I've moved to kubuntu,ubuntu,XP,Vista quadruple boot. > > So what? > > Alias Sew buttons. Hehehe... -- Hobbes,Tiger Extraordinaire |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:34:38 AM |
| From: Ringmaster [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:41 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >Every router I've ever installed that has a firewall had the firewall >enabled by default. Not saying every single one is that way, but every one >I've ever installed out of the package has had the firewall enabled. And I'm >not talking about NAT, which, of course, is also almost always enabled by >default. Can you please provide a list of those routers which do not have >the firewall and/or NAT enabled by default? I'd like to make sure that none >of the routers I'm responsible for fall into the category. I mean, I've been >into most of them to open a few ports, so I know those ones are already >working, but if you had a list of devices known that fulfill your claim >(like maybe it's one of the setup steps in the manual?), I'd love to have a >copy. > >Making broad statements about things of which you have only minimal >knowledge is one of the things that makes you so despised in these groups. >(Is there anything at all in this world about which you have more than a >modicum of knowledge? I don't even think you know much about Linux.) I'm a >good researcher. Want me to look up a psychiatric specialist for you so you >can work out why it is you can't help but be wrong all the time and can't >help yourself broadcasting it to the world? Kinda sick, don't you think? Plastering MVP after your name makes you a expert? Well a lot of dopes suffer from that mental handicap as anyone reading this group on a regular basis is well aware. ROTFLMAO! |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:45:14 AM |
| From: "Kerry Brown" [Email Address Protection] |
> > That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months that > Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because they finally > came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu up-to-date and > enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's BULLET PROOF compared to > Windows of any flavor. > You really don't understand security do you? Yes, currently Linux isn't attacked as much as Windows so it's less likely you will be the victim of crooks while surfing the Internet using Linux rather than Windows. This fact does not make you invulnerable or as you say BULLET PROOF. By your own admission, quoted above, Linux needs to be kept up to date and you need to protect all devices in your network. That was the point of my original post to this thread. Software alone is not a strong enough security measure. Your posts that everyone should switch to Linux don't address any of this, until your last reply to me. The Internet is not a safe place. You need to take some basic precautions no matter what OS you happen to be using. If someone is not practicing safe surfing and not keeping their OS and applications up to date switching from Windows to Linux won't help them. If your reason for posting here is to help people by answering their questions then you should expand on your answers a bit rather than just suggesting everyone switch to Linux. Switching to Linux may be a valid option in some cases but the switch alone isn't the full answer. If you have other reasons for posting then maybe you could enlighten us on what they are. -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ http://vistahelpca.blogspot.com/ |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:47:28 AM |
| From: "Mrs. Ringmaster" [Email Address Protection] |
Ringmaster wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:41 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > >> Every router I've ever installed that has a firewall had the firewall >> enabled by default. Not saying every single one is that way, but every one >> I've ever installed out of the package has had the firewall enabled. And I'm >> not talking about NAT, which, of course, is also almost always enabled by >> default. Can you please provide a list of those routers which do not have >> the firewall and/or NAT enabled by default? I'd like to make sure that none >> of the routers I'm responsible for fall into the category. I mean, I've been >> into most of them to open a few ports, so I know those ones are already >> working, but if you had a list of devices known that fulfill your claim >> (like maybe it's one of the setup steps in the manual?), I'd love to have a >> copy. >> >> Making broad statements about things of which you have only minimal >> knowledge is one of the things that makes you so despised in these groups. >> (Is there anything at all in this world about which you have more than a >> modicum of knowledge? I don't even think you know much about Linux.) I'm a >> good researcher. Want me to look up a psychiatric specialist for you so you >> can work out why it is you can't help but be wrong all the time and can't >> help yourself broadcasting it to the world? Kinda sick, don't you think? > > Plastering MVP after your name makes you a expert? > > Well a lot of dopes suffer from that mental handicap as anyone reading > this group on a regular basis is well aware. > > ROTFLMAO! My hubby 'Ringmaster' enjoys insulting people who are smarter than he is. His psychiatrist is changing his medication next week to treat his mental illness. We all hope for the best! |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:52:12 AM |
| From: Kicking Albright [Email Address Protection] |
Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Please don't confuse NAT routing and firewalls. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation > Yes, I know that NAT is mapping technology. But in the case of Alias, one must keep it as simple as possible. http://www.homenethelp.com/web/explain/about-NAT.asp I know who the impersonators (in the link below) are when it comes to FW technology with a 3rd party personal FW, Windows Vista FW, some other host based solution on Linux or otherwise not being a FW with two network interfaces. One network interface facing the network it is protecting from, and one for the network it is protecting. http://www.more.net/technical/netserv/tcpip/firewalls/ I have spent a lot of time since 2001 in the FW and security NG(s)in learning from others and helping posters looking for FW and security advice. I know there are other host based FW solutions, but this is the one I have used on a Windows 2K server at the time, which is very good that also explains what is and what is not FW technology, before I moved away from it and packet filtering FW routers to a FW appliance. http://www.vicomsoft.com/knowledge/reference/firewalls1.html There are MS and Linux users (professionals) that come into that NG about FW, O/S(s) and security knowledge on both platforms that would hammer someone like Alias that really has limited knowledge of everything but thinks it knows everything. Just like what is happening with Alias here where it banters with nonsense justification, they would despise Alias there too and hammer Alias. :) |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 9:53:48 AM |
| From: Hobbes [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:45:14 -0700 "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote: > > > > That one vulnerability was patched in days but it's been months > > that Windows users have been jumping up and down about it because > > they finally came up with ONE exploit. BFD. If you keep your Ubuntu > > up-to-date and enable a hard NAT firewall in your router, it's > > BULLET PROOF compared to Windows of any flavor. > > > > You really don't understand security do you? Yes, currently Linux > isn't attacked as much as Windows so it's less likely you will be the > victim of crooks while surfing the Internet using Linux rather than > Windows. This fact does not make you invulnerable or as you say > BULLET PROOF. By your own admission, quoted above, Linux needs to be > kept up to date and you need to protect all devices in your network. > That was the point of my original post to this thread. Software alone > is not a strong enough security measure. Your posts that everyone > should switch to Linux don't address any of this, until your last > reply to me. The Internet is not a safe place. You need to take some > basic precautions no matter what OS you happen to be using. If > someone is not practicing safe surfing and not keeping their OS and > applications up to date switching from Windows to Linux won't help > them. If your reason for posting here is to help people by answering > their questions then you should expand on your answers a bit rather > than just suggesting everyone switch to Linux. Switching to Linux may > be a valid option in some cases but the switch alone isn't the full > answer. If you have other reasons for posting then maybe you could > enlighten us on what they are. > Alias' expertise in ubuntu is knowing how to link to it. -- Hobbes,Tiger Extraordinaire |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:06:37 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > FB wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> >>>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:15:00 -0700, Flyerfan27 >>>>>>>> <Flyerfan27@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recently removed McAfee form my laptop with Vista Home >>>>>>>>> Premium OP. I installed the free version of AVG Antivirus for >>>>>>>>> virus protection in McAfee's place. I was going to look for a >>>>>>>>> firewall program too, but saw that the Vista built in Windows >>>>>>>>> Firewall took over that job. My question is do these 2 programs >>>>>>>>> give me enough protection for my laptop? Can I trust these 2 >>>>>>>>> programs to protect my desktop computer? My desktop is hard >>>>>>>>> wired to my router >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your router has a firewall too, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Usually, it has to be enabled because it isn't enabled by default. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is garbage Alias. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Um, no it isn't. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes it is Alais. >>> >>> >>> >>> Um, no it isn't and you can't prove otherwise. >>> >>> Alias >> >> You are stupidly arrogant. >> Get lost loser. > > > You can't prove otherwise either. All you can do is hurl insults. > You prove otherwise! And thanks for playing! |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:14:09 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Terminator wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>> >>>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kicking Albright wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nonny wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:13:20 +0100, "Marc " >>>>>>>>>> <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:nmvn84hdn2p637f3ugb3eeq4oig4jk0t15@4ax.com... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:48:00 -0700, Carey Frisch [MVP] >>>>>>>>>>>> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent Windows OneCare package, there is >>>>>>>>>>>>> no need to install a multitude of different security software. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With the excellent free apps available, there is no need to >>>>>>>>>>>> spend >>>>>>>>>>>> money. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vista is the only modern OS that requires all this crap to >>>>>>>>>>> stay secure. >>>>>>>>>>> Hope that changes with Windows 7. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If the table were turned and Linux had the market share that >>>>>>>>>> Windows >>>>>>>>>> has, Linux would have all the world's hackers working to break >>>>>>>>>> it as >>>>>>>>>> Windows does now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>>>>>>>> believe. It just isn't true. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alias >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's BS Alias because what the person is saying is true. Linux >>>>>>>> is not as popular as MS in the home user sector, therefore, they >>>>>>>> are not coming after the Linux platform like they do with the MS >>>>>>>> platform because it doesn't have the ignorant home user sector >>>>>>>> using the O/S as much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Linux is no bed of roses, it has the same fallible human beings >>>>>>>> that develop program solutions for the platform and the O/S >>>>>>>> itself. They are NOT super human beings Alias, and Linux in the >>>>>>>> wrong hands does and will get attacked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Care to substantiate your FUD (as if)? The only way my box can be >>>>>>> compromised is if you're sitting in front of it with your hands >>>>>>> on the keyboard and mouse. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You substantiate your FUD that some program or O/S written by >>>>>> fallible human beings that put their pants on one leg at a time >>>>>> can't be attacked in the wrong hands Alias. >>>>>> >>>>>> Linux and the programs written for the Linux platform are NOT >>>>>> written by super human beings. Linux didn't originate on some >>>>>> distant planet and made its way to Earth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Human beings are not perfect and nothing we do or create will ever >>>>>> be perfect. Linux is swiss cheese just like the O/S(s). The only >>>>>> thing Linux has going for it is that it's not in the hands of the >>>>>> masses. So the hackers have no reason to come after it, like they >>>>>> do with the MS platform. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's all that's being said here Alias. And that O/S you hold so >>>>>> dearly and you are a fan of cannot be attacked in the wrong hands >>>>>> those same mases of hands that you covet to come to Linux won't >>>>>> expose the Linux faults when the hackers follow them is ridiculous >>>>>> to think that will not happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> You cannot be this stupid, blind and naive. But maybe you are all >>>>>> of that with a total brainwashing. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I didn't think you could substantiate your FUD. All you can do is >>>>> hurl unfounded insults. Ho hum. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I can't help it if the truth hurts. If you can't stand the heat, >>>> then get out of the kitchen, Alias. >>>> >>> >>> When you post the truth, I'll alert the media. >>> >>>> <copied - You tossed an insult here yourself.> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That's the FUD that MS and shills like Carey would like you to >>>> >>>>> believe. It just isn't true. >>> >>> >>> No insults there. It is FUD and Carey is a shill. >>> >>> Now the insults continue: >>> >>>> >>>> You have total brainwashed yourself, and you have not given any >>>> evidence as to why Linux is not swiss cheese just like any other O/S >>>> in the wrong hands. >>>> >>>> You got all kind of excuses Alias -- (The Excuse - Alias), and you >>>> always go into a tap dance, jig and spin. >>> >>> >>> More insults but no proof. How surprising. >>> >>> Alias >> >> >> Its truly amazing that someone like Alias responds to a post titled >> "How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work" and has absolutely >> nothing informative, relative or intelligent to offer. What a waste >> of time! > > > It's NOT amazing how your ilk can only come up with insults and no proof. > That would be you mr liar, mr troll. You've getting a good and well deserved asskick and seem oblivious to that fact. You must be even dumber than anyone originally thought...if that is even possible. Keep it up, it's now entering the realm of 'unbelievable"!...LOL! > Alias |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:23:14 AM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:09:41 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >Every router I've ever installed that has a firewall had the firewall >enabled by default. Thank you for that! When I read that it needed to be configured I scratched my head wondering how I'd missed that. I immediately went to the configuration panel for my router and couldn't find a damned thing. I should have remembered that I'd put my system to several different tests online to check my security with only the router for a firewall and it passed every test thrown at it. |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:26:30 AM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:21:42 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >And you're just as foolish as Carey. Nope. He's in a category all his own in that regard. >-- >Gary S. Terhune >MS-MVP Shell/User >http://grystmill.com > >"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:nbrn84ts6kajn3ombm7esfts1kp05qpl44@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:33:00 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]" >> <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Install a good, comprehensive, security program, >>>such as Windows OneCare, and you'll not have to >>>worry about those issues. You can try it FREE >>>for ninety (90) days. This is a brand new version >>>and includes a very robust firewall. >> >> So does his router. That plus Vista's native firewall will cover him >> just fine in that department and it won't cost him anything. > |
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| Subject: Re: How well does the Windows Vista Firewall work? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:35:41 AM |
| From: FB [Email Address Protection] |
Alias wrote: > Kerry Brown wrote: > >> Assuming you haven't somehow disabled Windows Defender you have a >> reasonable amount of protection as far as anti-malware software is >> concerned. Note that this does not make you invulnerable. You will >> still be infected if you don't practice safe hex/surfing/computing or >> whatever you want to call it. >> >> Even more important than what programs you have installed is keeping >> your computer up to date and using a bit of common sense. By keeping >> your computer up to date this doesn't mean just Windows updates. You >> need to make sure every program installed on your computer is up date. >> Many of them do a poor job of doing this themselves. At least once a >> month you should manually check for updates on every program you have >> installed. >> >> You need to pay attention to what is happening on your computer. If >> you see a balloon warning by the clock that some program needs >> updating pay attention to it. If it's a program you recognise then >> allow the update. If you don't recognise it find out what it is and >> why it's warning you. Google is a great help for this. If a UAC prompt >> pops up unexpectedly then figure out why before you allow it. If >> you're not sure write down the details of what you were doing that >> caused it, don't allow it, then Google it to see what may have caused >> it. If you are on a web site and you are prompted to install or allow >> something unexpectedly don't do it. Never, ever, ever click on an ad >> on any web site. Never, ever open any email attachment unless you were >> expecting it. Even if the attachment is from someone you know don't >> open it unless you were expecting an attachment form them. If you >> weren't expecting it then email them to see if they really sent the >> attachment before opening it. Basically if you're not sure of >> |