| Subject: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 3:36:39 PM |
| From: "Mac" [Email Address Protection] |
What's the difference between setting a system in - Power savings: Standby vs. Hibernate? thanks! mac |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/26/2008 3:55:43 PM |
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" [Email Address Protection] |
Standby saves any open documents and programs to memory, and then puts your computer into a low-power state. Hibernate saves any open documents and programs to memory and to your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state. An advantage of hibernate is that if a power failure occurs, Windows can restore your work from your hard disk. If a power outage occurs when your work is saved only to memory, your work is lost. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience - Windows Vista Enthusiast --------------------------------------------------------------- "Mac" wrote: What's the difference between setting a system in - Power savings: Standby vs. Hibernate? thanks! mac |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 2:56:31 AM |
| From: "Marc " [Email Address Protection] |
"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message news:%23nQQAL37IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Standby saves any open documents and programs to memory, and then puts > your computer > into a low-power state. Hibernate saves any open documents and programs to > memory and > to your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state. > An advantage of hibernate is that if a power failure occurs, Windows can > restore your work > from your hard disk. If a power outage occurs when your work is saved only > to memory, > your work is lost. This isn't quite true. Standby (aka Sleep in Windows Vista) keeps what's in your PCs memory in memory, and turns off your hard disks, CPU and fans. A small amount of power is given to the memory, so when you power up it's very quick - just a case of waiting for the Hard Disk to spin up usually. Hibernate saves everything in memory to disk, as one big lump - and then turns off the computer completely. It's quicker to resume than a shutdown because Windows doesn't have to re-execute everything, it can load the memory as one. It's not as quick as Standby because you have to wait for the machine to boot. The way you defined hibernate is how Vista's hybrid sleep works. Choosing Hibernate from the start menu will not cause the the behavior you described to occur. Hybrid sleep is a combination of Standby and Hibernate. On a laptop it means if you choose sleep, after 1080 minutes (my default) the laptop will go into hibernate to save power - or it the battery goes below a certain amount (10% on mine). This isn't called Hybrid sleep in the settings however.. On a desktop PC it means when you choose sleep, Windows creates a hibernation file but puts the system into standby. As you said, this means should a power failure occur, then the system can just wake from hibernate instead of standby. This IS called hybrid sleep. I recommend you disable Hybrid sleep for laptops (most OEMs should ship laptops with it disabled), as power failures are unlikely unless the battery goes flat, which Vista can deal with anyway. The default power off button in Vista will use sleep. This is fine for desktops, however if you're using a laptop I would change it to hibernate your laptop, and have closing the lid sleep it (when on battery power) as it does seem pointless leaving your battery to go down (even if it's only by 10%) overnight just to save 10 seconds. HTH Marc |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:08:36 AM |
| From: "Synapse Syndrome" [Email Address Protection] |
"Marc " <RmEaMrOcVE@imarc.co.uk> wrote in message news:uA63N887IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23nQQAL37IHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Standby saves any open documents and programs to memory, and then puts >> your computer >> into a low-power state. Hibernate saves any open documents and programs >> to memory and >> to your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state. Even if he was talking about Sleep instead of Hibernate, it does not make any sense. It "saves saves any open documents and programs to memory and to your hard disk"? WTF? Saves them from where to memory, Carey?? ss. |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 7:22:27 AM |
| From: "John Sisker" [Email Address Protection] |
I have a related question in reference to both Sleep and Hibernate on a laptop using Vista. While it never did this before, the laptop now wakes itself up at various times for no apparent reason. I don't know what caused this, nor now to fix. I need to have it where I am the only one able to take the computer out of either mode, not the computer doing this on its own. Thanks, John |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 10:19:04 AM |
| From: Nonny [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:22:27 -0700, "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote: >I have a related question in reference to both Sleep and Hibernate on a >laptop using Vista. While it never did this before, the laptop now wakes >itself up at various times for no apparent reason. I don't know what caused >this, nor now to fix. I need to have it where I am the only one able to take >the computer out of either mode, not the computer doing this on its own. Next time please don't hijack a thread with a "related question", start a new thread. |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 11:28:16 AM |
| From: "Cameron Snyder" [Email Address Protection] |
Sorry, in sleep it will wake up if there is a high priority task scheduled. After completion it goes to sleep again. This is a great feature for some of us. Nobody cares if you think it shouldn't wake up from sleep unless you tell it. The fact is it does. Call it napping if that helps you get a grip on what is happening. You need to set your laptop up to hibernate. It will not wake from that on its own. "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message news:8137C9D9-9DD1-48CD-8F3D-BF1D21F132B7@microsoft.com... >I have a related question in reference to both Sleep and Hibernate on a >laptop using Vista. While it never did this before, the laptop now wakes >itself up at various times for no apparent reason. I don't know what caused >this, nor now to fix. I need to have it where I am the only one able to >take the computer out of either mode, not the computer doing this on its >own. > > Thanks, > John > |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 11:38:51 AM |
| From: "John Sisker" [Email Address Protection] |
Yet, it does wake itself up in Hibernate as well. This obviously presents a bigger problem than Sleep, for it could easily wake itself up while in the carrying case, with lack of proper air circulation, plus simply run the battery down. I think the solution would be to somehow turn the scheduled tasks off, if that is indeed the problem, instead of being told to get a grip and live with it. This was not an issue before, so there must be a way. "Cameron Snyder" <dntbther@tellpacbell.net> wrote in message news:eem3KaB8IHA.3260@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Sorry, in sleep it will wake up if there is a high priority task > scheduled. After completion it goes to sleep again. This is a great > feature for some of us. Nobody cares if you think it shouldn't wake up > from sleep unless you tell it. The fact is it does. Call it napping if > that helps you get a grip on what is happening. You need to set your > laptop up to hibernate. It will not wake from that on its own. > > "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message > news:8137C9D9-9DD1-48CD-8F3D-BF1D21F132B7@microsoft.com... >>I have a related question in reference to both Sleep and Hibernate on a >>laptop using Vista. While it never did this before, the laptop now wakes >>itself up at various times for no apparent reason. I don't know what >>caused this, nor now to fix. I need to have it where I am the only one >>able to take the computer out of either mode, not the computer doing this >>on its own. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> > |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 12:56:31 PM |
| From: "Cameron Snyder" [Email Address Protection] |
If it is really in hibernate, it will not wake for tasks. It will wake for some other malfunction, like your power button has a short. Sleep and hibernate are two distinct behaviors. If they look identical to you then you are experiencing only one. Check your laptop bios that it is properly configured and that your power button is properly configured. Check the power configuration in control panel. The grip I recommended you get is in understanding definitions and functions, not on your hysteria, and I would never tell you to just live with it. "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message news:eFcbNgB8IHA.2544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Yet, it does wake itself up in Hibernate as well. This obviously presents > a bigger problem than Sleep, for it could easily wake itself up while in > the carrying case, with lack of proper air circulation, plus simply run > the battery down. > > I think the solution would be to somehow turn the scheduled tasks off, if > that is indeed the problem, instead of being told to get a grip and live > with it. This was not an issue before, so there must be a way. > |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 1:26:34 PM |
| From: "John Sisker" [Email Address Protection] |
While it could indeed be a faulty power button, I don't think so. Everything else works just fine. Likewise, there are pretty distinct options to power down to either Sleep or Hibernate, so mixing that up is not even a remote possibility. The problem actually arose when I upgraded System Mechanic 7 Professional to System Mechanic 8 Professional. Everything was fine before. I have since been in touch with the tech people at iolo.com, but they seem to be ignoring my concerns. "Cameron Snyder" <dntbther@tellpacbell.net> wrote in message news:u919eLC8IHA.1428@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > If it is really in hibernate, it will not wake for tasks. It will wake for > some other malfunction, like your power button has a short. Sleep and > hibernate are two distinct behaviors. If they look identical to you then > you are experiencing only one. Check your laptop bios that it is properly > configured and that your power button is properly configured. Check the > power configuration in control panel. > > The grip I recommended you get is in understanding definitions and > functions, not on your hysteria, and I would never tell you to just live > with it. > > "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message > news:eFcbNgB8IHA.2544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Yet, it does wake itself up in Hibernate as well. This obviously presents >> a bigger problem than Sleep, for it could easily wake itself up while in >> the carrying case, with lack of proper air circulation, plus simply run >> the battery down. >> >> I think the solution would be to somehow turn the scheduled tasks off, if >> that is indeed the problem, instead of being told to get a grip and live >> with it. This was not an issue before, so there must be a way. >> > |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 4:33:31 PM |
| From: "Cameron Snyder" [Email Address Protection] |
Thanks, that is good to know. So you have checked the 'advanced power settings' to verify your power button and lid are configured for the proper state...? "John Sisker" <jsisker@sprynet.com> wrote in message news:uhcqZcC8IHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > While it could indeed be a faulty power button, I don't think so. > Everything else works just fine. Likewise, there are pretty distinct > options to power down to either Sleep or Hibernate, so mixing that up is > not even a remote possibility. The problem actually arose when I upgraded > System Mechanic 7 Professional to System Mechanic 8 Professional. > Everything was fine before. I have since been in touch with the tech > people at iolo.com, but they seem to be ignoring my concerns. > > |
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| Subject: Re: Standby vs. Hybernate |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/27/2008 6:33:02 PM |
| From: "John Sisker" [Email Address Protection] |
Cameron of the microsoft.public.windows.vista.general newsgroup actually solved the problem for me. Apparently, I was trying to fix something that wasn't really broken, just experiencing a different behavior than before. She said... "in sleep it will wake up if there is a high priority task scheduled. After completion it goes to sleep again. This is a great feature for some of us." Even though Sleep is in a low power mode, it actually does the very same thing in Hibernate mode as well, which is suppose to be shut down. After Cameron said this, I watched what happened in both modes, and sure enough, she was indeed right. The laptop would turn itself back one, for apparently a scheduled task, then go back to either Sleep or Hibernate. Therefore, it apparently wasn't behaving incorrectly, just different from what it had been doing before. Likewise, most everyone else was also trying to help me fix a problem that wasn't really a problem. That's apparently why none of their idea and suggestions were working. As I mentioned before, I recently upgraded from (iolo.com) System Mechanic 7 Professional to System Mechanic 8 Professional, when I first noticed this behavior. Seemingly, this upgrade put any scheduled task in the background and would wake from both Sleep and Hibernate to perform this task, than go back to Sleep/Hibernate. This did not happen in System Mechanic 7 Professional, which allowed me to put the computer in Hibernate and take it to and from work in its carrying case. All I really need to do now is actually shut down the computer, so I won't take a change of it actually waking up while in transit. This is rather a simple and acceptable solution now that I know what's really going on. What has disappointed me though, is my inquiries to iolo.com itself as to what was happening, but with no response, expect for some generic and useless information. Thanks to everyone, especially Cameron, for the help, ideas and suggestions. John |
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