| Subject: Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 7/23/2008 11:35:05 AM |
| From: =?Utf-8?B?YXhlbG0=?= [Email Address Protection] |
Vista machine is: AMD X2 4000 - 3 GB RAM - Asrock AliveNF6G-VSTA Nvidia based chipset - 2 x 320GB SATA2 in RAID0 - dual NIC. Network connection is cablemodem <-> Vista NIC1 <-> ICS <-> Vista NIC2 <-> 10/100 switch <-> rest of my home network which is composed of 4 more machines (3 XP SP3 and 1 Vista Ultimate 32 T61 laptop). There is a Trendnet TEW-611BRP wireless router connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11 bridge. I have the same problem many people are having: unidentified network which goes back to Public mode after rebooting the machine. Another problem I have is that if I turn on network discovery, it will open the RPC port on the firewall´s WAN connection. I can share files locally by explicitly doing \\machinename\sharename, but the network workgroup is not browseable. I have also added the LLTD client on the XP machines so I could see the network map. Nice feature, it works really well. I need help getting rid of the Unidentified network so I can: - avoid having to reset it to private mode after each reboot - rename it to something like "LAN". I renamed the public adapter as WAN to make it easier to remember what cable goes where if I have to reconnect. I have disabled IPv6 by adding a DWORD DisabledComponents=0xFF in the registry entry for the tcpip service. This got rid of all the tunnel adapters and the tuxedo device. I don't like binding extra protocols to the internet NIC. It´s just a matter of time until someone finds an exploit in MS's IPV6 stack or Tuxedo and the machine is compromised. I am sticking to IPv4 only, my ISP only supports it, and the extra IPv6 Tuxedo would be useful for uTorrent but I prefer to play it safe for the time being. I used to have Fedora 8 installed on this machine and it worked fine 24x7. No problems at all. Vista is just so full of wizards and automatic stuff that it is frustrating for advanced users. I appreciate the help from the wizard but sometimes it is just frustrating. Using ICS on Vista is just temporary. I will eventually keep this Vista machine as desktop only and install Fedora or Centos on an older PC and use that as home server/gateway/router/firewall/backup, but in the meantime I just can´t have the Unidentified network going back to public mode after each reboot because it ruins the firewall settings. Can't I just disable this automatic network location manager and configure the firewall myself? BTW, how do I set up port forwarding with ICS? Here´s my ipconfig: Windows IP Configuration Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FELIX Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . : Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No Ethernet adapter Nvidia Onboard: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-19-66-1E-08-09 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled Ethernet adapter Realtek PCI: Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-50-FC-2B-BE-D3 DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 190.16.25.212(Preferred) Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0 Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : miércoles, 23 de julio de 2008 09:34:23 a.m. Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : miércoles, 23 de julio de 2008 02:40:40 p.m. Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 1.1.1.1 DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 172.20.2.12 DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 200.49.130.30 200.49.130.31 200.49.130.34 172.20.2.12 NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled |
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| Subject: Re: Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 7/25/2008 3:28:48 AM |
| From: Barb Bowman [Email Address Protection] |
you really have a bad configuration here. your best solution is to purchase a new router and use that as your edge device. the fact that what you have is known to be damaged means it isn't something worth trouble shooting. On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700, axelm <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >There is a Trendnet TEW-611BRP wireless router >connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest >of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet >because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11 >bridge. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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| Subject: Re: Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 7/25/2008 7:45:57 AM |
| From: Barb Bowman [Email Address Protection] |
running sniffer would help. you could certainly give your family peace of mind by buying a new router. there are/were alot of Super G routers out there based on the same chipset. I know D-Link and ZyXEL had some. But I also suspect that a newer N router with an Atheros chipset would be backward compatible and give you something to use in the future. On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:42:01 -0700, axelm <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Barb, > >Thanks for your input. I have thought about getting a new edge device, but >the Trendnet pre-MIMO router has great coverage and I already have matching >wifi cards with the same Atheros Velocity chipset. Too bad I lost the WAN >port in a thunderstorm, which BTW also killed 2 DVD players and an OpenBSD >box. > >The Trendnet device is still useful as an Ethernet-Wifi bridge. I used it >for more than a year when my home network had a Linux firewall/router/server >and XP Clients. Now I am moving my main desktop from XP to Vista, but this >Unidentified network problem disconnects the rest of the machine from the >Internet every time I reboot. > >I don't mind resetting it, but sometimes I travel for several weeks and my >wife and kids will not have Internet if there is a power failure or a Windows >Update+reboot. > >Are you saying that the unidentified network problem would disappear if I >get rid of the Trendnet device? Is there any document explaining how the >network identification system works, or do I have to sniff the Ethernet >packets to see what's going on? > >Thanks again, >Axel > >"Barb Bowman" wrote: > >> you really have a bad configuration here. >> >> your best solution is to purchase a new router and use that as your >> edge device. the fact that what you have is known to be damaged >> means it isn't something worth trouble shooting. >> >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700, axelm >> <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >There is a wireless router >> >connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest >> >of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet >> >because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11 >> >bridge. >> -- >> >> Barb Bowman >> MS-MVP >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com >> -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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| Subject: Re: Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 7/26/2008 2:19:39 AM |
| From: Barb Bowman [Email Address Protection] |
when connected to the cable modem with the other NIC unbridged and disconnected, do you still see this issue? you could probably search technet or MSDN for the info you requested. not sure why you are resisting getting a router. ICS is a poor substitute. On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:26:14 -0700, axelm <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >I have also tried swapping NICs. Now the WAN is on the Nvidia onboard card, >and LAN on the Realtek 8139 card. It makes absolutely no difference. > >I also set primary dns suffix to mshome.net to both machines and it also >makes no diff. > >I guess the only solution is to disable MS firewall and use some other FW >product. > >Isn't there a way to manually set the network identification? This is a >desktop machine, it is not roaming laptop. There HAS to be a way to disable >the "autolearn location" feature. > > > >"axelm" wrote: > >> I have removed the wireless bridge. Now the network only consists of a >> cablemodem, a Vista box with dual NIC and ICS enabled, a 10/100 switch and an >> XP box. Everything is wired. >> >> I still get Unidentified network. I already tried diagnose, uninstall, >> rebooting, etc. >> >> What's the next step? It would really help to know how the kernel identifies >> a network? DNS suffix? >> >> Please advise. >> >> Thank >> Axel >> >> "Barb Bowman" wrote: >> >> > running sniffer would help. you could certainly give your family >> > peace of mind by buying a new router. there are/were alot of Super G >> > routers out there based on the same chipset. I know D-Link and ZyXEL >> > had some. But I also suspect that a newer N router with an Atheros >> > chipset would be backward compatible and give you something to use >> > in the future. >> > >> > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:42:01 -0700, axelm >> > <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> > >> > >Barb, >> > > >> > >Thanks for your input. I have thought about getting a new edge device, but >> > >the Trendnet pre-MIMO router has great coverage and I already have matching >> > >wifi cards with the same Atheros Velocity chipset. Too bad I lost the WAN >> > >port in a thunderstorm, which BTW also killed 2 DVD players and an OpenBSD >> > >box. >> > > >> > >The Trendnet device is still useful as an Ethernet-Wifi bridge. I used it >> > >for more than a year when my home network had a Linux firewall/router/server >> > >and XP Clients. Now I am moving my main desktop from XP to Vista, but this >> > >Unidentified network problem disconnects the rest of the machine from the >> > >Internet every time I reboot. >> > > >> > >I don't mind resetting it, but sometimes I travel for several weeks and my >> > >wife and kids will not have Internet if there is a power failure or a Windows >> > >Update+reboot. >> > > >> > >Are you saying that the unidentified network problem would disappear if I >> > >get rid of the Trendnet device? Is there any document explaining how the >> > >network identification system works, or do I have to sniff the Ethernet >> > >packets to see what's going on? >> > > >> > >Thanks again, >> > >Axel >> > > >> > >"Barb Bowman" wrote: >> > > >> > >> you really have a bad configuration here. >> > >> >> > >> your best solution is to purchase a new router and use that as your >> > >> edge device. the fact that what you have is known to be damaged >> > >> means it isn't something worth trouble shooting. >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:35:05 -0700, axelm >> > >> <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> >There is a wireless router >> > >> >connected to my Ethernet switch which is providing 802.11 Super G to the rest >> > >> >of the house. I am not using the wifi router as gateway to the internet >> > >> >because a lightning screwed up the WAN port. It is only an Ethernet to 802.11 >> > >> >bridge. >> > >> -- >> > >> >> > >> Barb Bowman >> > >> MS-MVP >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> > >> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ >> > >> http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com >> > >> >> > -- >> > >> > Barb Bowman >> > MS-MVP >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx >> > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ >> > http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com >> > -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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| Subject: Re: Vista Ultimate 32 SP1: problem w/unidentified network + ICS |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing |
| Date: 7/29/2008 2:47:55 AM |
| From: Barb Bowman [Email Address Protection] |
I suspect that if you used a hardware router that you would not have this issue. I personally see ICS as a temporary solution to be used when there are no other options. But I don't see it as a long term topology in anyone's home. On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:26:00 -0700, axelm <axelm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >I will move back to a Fedora9 or CentOS router/firewall device during August >because I am not comfortable with this network location problem. I have >looked all over the place for a solution to no avail. -- Barb Bowman MS-MVP http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/meetexperts/bowman.mspx http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/ http://digitalmediaphile.wordpress.com |
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