| Subject: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 8:54:10 AM |
| From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?JethroUK=A9?= [Email Address Protection] |
I have a message "Java Update available" before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 9:02:50 AM |
| From: Alias [Email Address Protection] |
JethroUK� wrote: > I have a message "Java Update available" > > before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? > > Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? Usually there is an update because the previous version has vulnerabilities. I would update if I were you and remove the old versions. Alias |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 9:02:07 AM |
| From: Leonard Grey [Email Address Protection] |
Up to you. Lots of web pages won't work properly or at all without Java. Updates usually contain improved security. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est JethroUK� wrote: > I have a message "Java Update available" > > before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? > > Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 9:30:04 AM |
| From: "Karl Snooks" [Email Address Protection] |
JethroUK, Install the update. Karl "JethroUK�" <reply@the.board> wrote in message news:e3meyMB7IHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I have a message "Java Update available" > > before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? > > Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 10:23:13 AM |
| From: "mae" [Email Address Protection] |
I have never missed having Java installed. You could uninstall and wait until you encounter the need. Then you can decide if you want-need it. mae "JethroUK�" <reply@the.board> wrote in message news:e3meyMB7IHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... |I have a message "Java Update available" | | before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? | | Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 11:04:45 AM |
| From: VanguardLH [Email Address Protection] |
JethroUK� wrote: > I have a message "Java Update available" before i install it - i know > it runs java games but do i really need it?? Is there anything at all > i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? Installing an "update" may result in installing a new version. This can result in having multiple versions installed. Sometimes it is required to have an old version for compatibility with an old program, but few users actually have Java programs installed on their hosts and instead they end up downloading Java applets that run locally (so the site should be ensuring their applet works with the latest version). Usually only Java software developers need to have around the old versions. Rather than update, uninstall [all versions of] the old Java interpreter[s] and install the latest one. http://developers.sun.com/downloads/top.jsp or http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp (Unless you develop in Java, you only need the JRE). If you don't want to know about updates (or check for them yourself when you choose) and don't want to waste the memory having their updater always running in memory, go to Control Panel -> Java, Update tab, and uncheck the automatic update option. You only need the Java interpreter if you install or download Java-based programs to your host. This also means if you visit web sites that download and locally execute Java applets on your host. For an example of a Java applet, see http://www.chron.com/xword for a crossword site that uses Java. Java always runs locally either because you installed a Java-based program or downloaded it (which may have been downloaded by a web site). Javascript is often confused with Java, like Outlook Express is confused with Outlook. They are not the same. Javascript is the scripting interpreter built into the web browser and many web pages use it. Not having a Java interpreter will not interfere with the web browser running Javascript in a web page. See my other post as a reply to Leonard in this thread. |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 12:52:44 PM |
| From: "�py�urbutt��" [Email Address Protection] |
"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.cl> wrote in message news:g656o3$b85$6@registered.motzarella.org... > VanguardLH wrote: >> Alias wrote: >> >>> JethroUK� wrote: >>>> I have a message "Java Update available" >>>> >>>> before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need >>>> it?? >>>> >>>> Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? >>> Usually there is an update because the previous version has >>> vulnerabilities. I would update if I were you and remove the old >>> versions. >>> >>> Alias >> >> Or because new features have been added. Or new methods (functions) >> have been added. Or speed was improved. Or stability was improved. >> Or new functionality was added. Or ... > > Key word that I used: "usually". > > Alias Key word - LIAR |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 2:49:00 PM |
| From: Michel Doucet [Email Address Protection] |
Bonjour/soir, le Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:46:44 -0700, *Bill Yanaire* a caressé son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant: > Keyword = "Ubuntu Preacher" .... clever man ! -- Utiliser le butineur, le courrielleur, le lecteur de nouvelles et l'OS avec lesquels vous vous sentez le plus sécurisé ... ;) Posted via www.individual.net http://mdoucet.wordpress.com/ |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 2:59:24 PM |
| From: Averell [Email Address Protection] |
Michel Doucet a écrit : > Bonjour/soir, le Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:46:44 -0700, *Bill Yanaire* a caressé > son clavier pour nous dire dans le message suivant: > >> Keyword = "Ubuntu Preacher" > > ... clever man ! > Troll aux oreilles d'âne ! |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 5:15:07 PM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:04:45 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: > JethroUK� wrote: > >> I have a message "Java Update available" before i install it - i know >> it runs java games but do i really need it?? Is there anything at all >> i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? > > Installing an "update" may result in installing a new version. This can > result in having multiple versions installed. Sometimes it is required > to have an old version for compatibility with an old program, but few > users actually have Java programs installed on their hosts and instead > they end up downloading Java applets that run locally (so the site > should be ensuring their applet works with the latest version). Usually > only Java software developers need to have around the old versions. > > Rather than update, uninstall [all versions of] the old Java > interpreter[s] and install the latest one. > > http://developers.sun.com/downloads/top.jsp > or > http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp > (Unless you develop in Java, you only need the JRE). > > If you don't want to know about updates (or check for them yourself when > you choose) and don't want to waste the memory having their updater > always running in memory, go to Control Panel -> Java, Update tab, and > uncheck the automatic update option. > > You only need the Java interpreter if you install or download Java-based > programs to your host. This also means if you visit web sites that > download and locally execute Java applets on your host. For an example > of a Java applet, see http://www.chron.com/xword for a crossword site > that uses Java. Java always runs locally either because you installed a > Java-based program or downloaded it (which may have been downloaded by a > web site). > > Javascript is often confused with Java, like Outlook Express is confused > with Outlook. They are not the same. Javascript is the scripting > interpreter built into the web browser and many web pages use it. Not > having a Java interpreter will not interfere with the web browser > running Javascript in a web page. See my other post as a reply to > Leonard in this thread. This nifty tool can assist: http://raproducts.org/ |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/22/2008 5:15:23 PM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:51:21 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: > Leonard Grey wrote: > >> JethroUK� wrote: >>> I have a message "Java Update available" >>> >>> before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need it?? >>> >>> Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? > >> Up to you. Lots of web pages won't work properly or at all without Java. >> Updates usually contain improved security. > > Actually it's not the web pages that would have a problem since they use > Javascript, not Java. Only if a web site pushes a Java applet through > your browser, and assuming you want to locally execute those Java > programs, would you need a Java interpreter on your host. Don't confuse > Javascript with Java just because they share a substring. They aren't > anymore related to each other than Word is to WordPerfect or Outlook is > to Outlook Express. > > Java is NOT Javascript > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javascript > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_programming > > Javascript won't prompt for an update. Javascript is an interpreter > built into the web browser. It would be the web browser itself that > would prompt for an update. However, Java is a separate interpreter > from the web browser and it may prompt for an update. > > If you want to see an example of a Java applet, visit > http://www.chron.com/xword that runs a crossword Java applet. The OP > never bothered to mention an example web site where he plays those > "games" but it is likely they use Java to execute them (versus > Javascript for the web page behaviors). I've got to hand it to you, this is an excellent, easy-to-understand explanation/clarification! |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/24/2008 10:57:53 AM |
| From: "Donald Anadell" [Email Address Protection] |
"JethroUK�" <reply@the.board> wrote in message news:unzOiRa7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > I've uninstalled it - not missing it so far :o) Then don't bother ever going to any of the following that use the Java plugin:o) Sites that use Java Web Applications such as the Secunia Software Inspector site: http://secunia.com/software_inspector Sites that display Java Applets(such as the Lake, Snow...etc applets), as seen at this sites: http://www.janim.com/ Sites that offer Java Games, like these sites(to name but a few): http://www.jigzone.com/ http://www.pogo.com/ http://www.freearcade.com/cardgames.html Good luck, Donald Anadell > > > > "mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> wrote in message > news:uX3ll#B7IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> I have never missed having Java installed. >> You could uninstall and wait until you encounter the need. >> Then you can decide if you want-need it. >> >> mae >> >> "JethroUK�" <reply@the.board> wrote in message >> news:e3meyMB7IHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> |I have a message "Java Update available" >> | >> | before i install it - i know it runs java games but do i really need >> it?? >> | >> | Is there anything at all i'm likely to miss if i uninstall it? >> |
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| Subject: Re: Java - Do i really need it?? |
| Group: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general |
| Date: 7/24/2008 4:52:51 PM |
| From: Kayman [Email Address Protection] |
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:57:53 -0400, Donald Anadell wrote: > "JethroUK�" <reply@the.board> wrote in message > news:unzOiRa7IHA.1468@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > >> I've uninstalled it - not missing it so far :o) > > Then don't bother ever going to any of the following that use the Java > plugin:o) > > Sites that use Java Web Applications such as the Secunia Software Inspector > site: > http://secunia.com/software_inspector Yes, if it wasn't Secunia Software Inspector I don't think I'd bother with Java. <snip for brevity> |
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