| Subject: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 2:20:39 AM |
| From: MadMax75th [Email Address Protection] |
Hey, I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. Max PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though they are supposed to work just fine together. -- MadMax75th ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511 View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018 http://forums.techarena.in |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 6:45:56 AM |
| From: "Charlie Russel - MVP" [Email Address Protection] |
See my blog from 2005... http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however, rather than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware it's actually being used on. A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP from XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to use a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for details. That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit wasn't out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well. And Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com... > > Hey, > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. > Max > > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though > they are supposed to work just fine together. > > > -- > MadMax75th > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511 > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018 > > http://forums.techarena.in > |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 8:15:18 AM |
| From: "Tony Sperling" [Email Address Protection] |
Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work? Tony. . . "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:9ECFEEF1-7E4F-4F8F-9489-5B4C2763FAF3@microsoft.com... > See my blog from 2005... > http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx > > This assumes you actually installed the XP 32-bit partition, however, rather > than plugged one in that was installed on a different computer. That will > almost never work well, since it needs to be installed to the hardware it's > actually being used on. > > A better solution if you simply need access to a 32-bit version of XP from > XP x64 on an occasional basis, or for a specific task/application is to use > a virtual machine to run XP 32-bit. See > https://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2006/03/29/88280.aspx for details. > That assumes Virtual Server, since the Virtual PC version for 64-bit wasn't > out yet, but the same basic solution works well for Virtual PC as well. And > Virtual PC is probably a better solution for most XP users. > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64 > http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel > > "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message > news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com... > > > > Hey, > > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of > > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot > > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't > > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the > > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing > > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me > > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't > > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. > > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. > > Max > > > > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though > > they are supposed to work just fine together. > > > > > > -- > > MadMax75th > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511 > > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018 > > > > http://forums.techarena.in > > > |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 8:56:08 AM |
| From: "Colin Barnhorst" [Email Address Protection] |
"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message news:O58yAs33IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work? > > > Tony. . . >> > > It would be way overkill. See: http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should be enough. |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 10:54:39 AM |
| From: "thecreator" [Email Address Protection] |
Hi Max, BootIt NG will dual-boot both Drives for you. http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm BootIT NG can create a seperate FAT partition on an NTFS Drive and it can be hidden. -- thecreator "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com... > > Hey, > I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of > XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot > the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't > get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the > "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing > happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me > to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't > allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. > Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. > Max > > PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though > they are supposed to work just fine together. > > > -- > MadMax75th > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511 > View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018 > > http://forums.techarena.in > |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 11:03:04 AM |
| From: "Tony Sperling" [Email Address Protection] |
Yes, true enough, although I see no paragraph concerning 'wrong order repairs' in that link (Charlies Blog). . ? But I had certainly visualized repairing in the right order. Repairing the XP version (after FDISK'ing and making that partition unbootable) would presumeably make it impossible to boot the machine from HD at all? Then repairing XP x64, would put everything back with the addition? Or??? The obvious stumbling block, of course, is that initially you'll have two active boot-sectors and dual MBR's on different drives. I can see that there is no apparent reason why this should be corrected by a dual repair - but, I can also not see any apparent reason why it might not! Tony. . . "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message news:8DFDC057-4960-4C03-8131-324FCE0618FB@microsoft.com... > "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message > news:O58yAs33IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work? > > > > > > Tony. . . > >> > > > > > > It would be way overkill. See: > http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx > Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should be > enough. > |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 1:00:39 PM |
| From: "Colin Barnhorst" [Email Address Protection] |
"thecreator" <thecreator@home.com> wrote in message news:eyFLlF53IHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Hi Max, > > BootIt NG will dual-boot both Drives for you. > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-next-generation.htm > > BootIT NG can create a seperate FAT partition on an NTFS Drive and it > can be hidden. > > -- > thecreator > > "MadMax75th" <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message > news:MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com... >> >> Hey, >> I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of >> XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot >> the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't >> get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the >> "+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing >> happens! Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me >> to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't >> allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. >> Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. >> Max >> >> PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though >> they are supposed to work just fine together. >> >> >> -- >> MadMax75th >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> MadMax75th's Profile: http://forums.techarena.in/member.php?u=17511 >> View this thread: http://forums.techarena.in/showthread.php?t=997018 >> >> http://forums.techarena.in >> > > It isn't needed. He just has to copy a few files. |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 1:00:03 PM |
| From: "Colin Barnhorst" [Email Address Protection] |
"Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message news:uA2dxJ53IHA.4856@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Yes, true enough, although I see no paragraph concerning 'wrong order > repairs' in that link (Charlies Blog). . ? > > But I had certainly visualized repairing in the right order. Repairing the > XP version (after FDISK'ing and making that partition unbootable) would > presumeably make it impossible to boot the machine from HD at all? > > Then repairing XP x64, would put everything back with the addition? Or??? > > The obvious stumbling block, of course, is that initially you'll have two > active boot-sectors and dual MBR's on different drives. I can see that > there > is no apparent reason why this should be corrected by a dual repair - but, > I > can also not see any apparent reason why it might not! > > > Tony. . . > > > "Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:8DFDC057-4960-4C03-8131-324FCE0618FB@microsoft.com... >> "Tony Sperling" <tony.sperling@dbREMOVEmail.dk> wrote in message >> news:O58yAs33IHA.776@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > Just curious - would a 'Repair Install' to both systems work? >> > >> > >> > Tony. . . >> >> >> > >> > >> >> It would be way overkill. See: >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64/archive/2005/11/21/76180.aspx >> Especially the Repair option in the Wrong Order paragraph. That should >> be >> enough. >> > > Scroll down to the fifth major topic, "Wrong Order". |
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| Subject: Re: Dual Boot ??????? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/6/2008 11:49:10 PM |
| From: Andy [Email Address Protection] |
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 14:50:39 +0530, MadMax75th <MadMax75th.3c4dnd@DoNotSpam.com> wrote: > >Hey, >I recently added a second hard drive that had a fresh installation of >XP32 installed. My first HD has XP64 installed. It only wants to boot >the XP64 Drive. I was hoping to DUAL BOOT but when I go to BIOS I can't >get it to let me change Drive Priority. I am supposed to use the >"+"(PLUS) sign to raise or minus sign to lower priority but nothing >happens! Use the numeric keypad. The motherboard BIOS probably accepts a function key input during POST to override the default boot device. Edit the boot.ini on the XP64 disk, adding a line for XP32 (rdisk(1)). >Is there a good program that I can install that will allow me >to choose the HD I wish to boot to ? I have Partition Magic but it won't >allow me to add a FAT32 partition on XP64, so I can add BOOT MAGIC. >Thanks a lot for any help you may offer. >Max > >PS- My XP64 is on an SATA DRIVE & the XP32 is on an IDE DRIVE, though >they are supposed to work just fine together. |
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| Subject: Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/9/2008 4:02:50 AM |
| From: "Jeff Gaines" [Email Address Protection] |
On 09/07/2008 in message <AC8C4A10-14E9-4FDD-9E2A-BF1DF156F704@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote: >Thanks for your responses. So, arguably, Virtual PC is not a free program >but an excuse to sell another OS license? What did I expect? Virtual PC is free. There are free OSs you can install (Linux being an obvious example) and many people will have unencumbered licences, for example a retail version of Windows where the original PC has been scrapped. >1. NVWM memory: how much RAM should I specify is available to WinXP32? 3GB? >(I have 8). I presume this memory is not subtracted from real memory but is >just a limitaton on the VPC. Memory used by the VPC is subtracted from the host PC's memory, it has to come from somewhere. >2. I am going to want to enable at least one USB port on the virtual >machine >so I can use my existing HP printer/scanner/fax. This article seems to talk >only of the physical parallel and serial ports. Are USB ports not >functional? >And/or am I better off finding a parallel printer cable and hooking the HP >up >that way? USB ports are not available to a Virtual PC, I don't know about legacy ports but somebody will. >3. Partitioning: And I quote: [snipped] >What do I do? (Thanks) FWIW, I have three separate external hard drives >(mostly used for backup) I could use if that made life easier. Just partition as if you were using a physical machine. Bear in mind you are actually partitioning a file, not a physical hard drive. >4. If I do not plan to use the Windows 32-bit OS to go on the Internet, am >I >correct that I need not enable Internet connectivity on the VPC? If you enable networking on a VPC it is able to connect to the Internet in the same way as any physical machine on the same network. >5. As a related question, am I correct in assuming that there would then be >no need to worry about firewalls, anti-virus, automatic updates, etc., >etc.? >In fact, is there any reason to worry about upgrading whatever specific >version of Windows XP 32 I buy to include the various service packs? See Internet access in (4) above. >6. The above questions assume that a virtual machine is a DIFFERENT machine >for internet purposes than the host machine and that all of the firewalls, >etc. on the host machine would not protect the virtual machine. Is this >correct? Yes. >7. Once I have the OS up and running, do I then have to install all the >programs I want to run on it? Or can the VPC actually launch programs that >sit on the hard drive of the host machine? You need to treat it like a new physical machine, any apps you want to use need installing, and are subject to the same licence conditions as if you were installing on a physical machine. -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK If it's not broken, mess around with it until it is |
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| Subject: Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/9/2008 10:15:31 AM |
| From: "Jeff Gaines" [Email Address Protection] |
On 09/07/2008 in message <B229F1D1-092C-439F-8647-A625F76069F7@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote: >Thanks for the education. I am a whole different level of sophistication; I >can barely get my wireless LAN to work so the concept of multiple virtual >machines doing different things, while not conceptually beyond my grasp, >represents a level of detailed knowledge that I don't have. If you don't wet yourself after typing "Format c:" in a virtual machine you're not human :-) -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those who can't. |
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| Subject: Re: Virtual Machine to run 32-bit software? |
| Group: microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general |
| Date: 7/9/2008 10:54:49 AM |
| From: "Charlie Russel - MVP" [Email Address Protection] |
<grin> -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64 http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message news:xn0fshclh2yovht000@msnews.microsoft.com... > On 09/07/2008 in message > <B229F1D1-092C-439F-8647-A625F76069F7@microsoft.com> piccolo wrote: > >>Thanks for the education. I am a whole different level of sophistication; >>I >>can barely get my wireless LAN to work so the concept of multiple virtual >>machines doing different things, while not conceptually beyond my grasp, >>represents a level of detailed knowledge that I don't have. > > If you don't wet yourself after typing "Format c:" in a virtual machine > you're not human :-) > > -- > Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK > There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count, and those > who can't. |
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