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July 04, 2008  
Subject: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 3:18:00 AM
From: =?Utf-8?B?QnJ1Y2UgRmVlemVs?= [Email Address Protection]

As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Bruce Feezel
brucef@clearwire.net



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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 4:10:01 AM
From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection]

"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
> without
> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
> to
> do.
>
> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
> done.
> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them)

May I ask why, in God's name, you need FIVE COMPUTERS if you are the ONLY
user?


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 4:42:54 AM
From: "fuctifino" [Email Address Protection]

Bruce,
There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit and
slave the rest off that one.
Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
privilidges and shares from there.
A much more logical thought process involved and all done in step-by-step
moves.
DecHex



"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
> without
> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
> to
> do.
>
> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
> done.
> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
> who
> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
> paste,
> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
> Microsoft doesn't!
>
> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
> have
> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
> Instructions
> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
> I
> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
> that
> should be simple.
>
> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
> "Help"
> Is "No Help," At All!
>
> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
> they
> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>
> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
> what
> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
> completely
> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
> be
> "User Friendly!"
>
> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
> be.
> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
> done.
>
> Bruce Feezel
> brucef@clearwire.net
>
>


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 8:35:27 AM
From: Bob Willard [Email Address Protection]

Bruce Feezel wrote:
> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
> do.
>
> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
> Microsoft doesn't!
>
> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
> should be simple.
>
> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
> Is "No Help," At All!
>
> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>
> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
> "User Friendly!"
>
> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.
>
> Bruce Feezel
> brucef@clearwire.net
>
>

I have no problem doing whatever I want (including create, delete, and rename)
from my XP PCs to files & folders on my Vista PCs, as long as I only deal with
the Vista's Public folders (and its subfolders).

I did have problems with folders outside of the Public folders, and I did not
find a work around -- even after setting permissions. So I settled for using
only the Public area on Vista.

And, if it matters to you, there are problems with accessing Vista files and
folders from W9x PCs. You can google this NG for some earlier discussions
on W9x-Vista sharing issues.
--
Cheers, Bob

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 8:42:30 AM
From: Bob Willard [Email Address Protection]

fuctifino wrote:

> Bruce,
> There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
> If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
> then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
> If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit
> and slave the rest off that one.
> Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
> Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
> This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
> privilidges and shares from there.
> A much more logical thought process involved and all done in
> step-by-step moves.
> DecHex

5 is a problem? Maybe for a wimp! :-P

I have 8 PCs and 3 non-PC nodes in my SOHO workgroup, all with DHCP. Very
little problem, except when one of the kids downloads a batch of malware.
--
Cheers, Bob

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 1:37:46 PM
From: "fuctifino" [Email Address Protection]

Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties >
Security Tab > Edit >Add
then type ‘Everyone’ (not the quotes) and below it select your preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex

"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
> without
> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
> to
> do.
>
> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
> done.
> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
> who
> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
> paste,
> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
> Microsoft doesn't!
>
> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
> have
> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
> Instructions
> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
> I
> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
> that
> should be simple.
>
> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
> "Help"
> Is "No Help," At All!
>
> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
> they
> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>
> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
> what
> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
> completely
> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
> be
> "User Friendly!"
>
> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
> be.
> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
> done.
>
> Bruce Feezel
> brucef@clearwire.net
>
>


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 2:44:42 PM
From: Donald L McDaniel [Email Address Protection]

On Thu, 8 May 2008 03:18:00 -0700, Bruce Feezel
<BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
>Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
>having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
>do.
>
>I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
>operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
>computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
>rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
>computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
>Microsoft doesn't!
>
>As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
>almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
>not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
>are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
>shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
>should be simple.
>
>Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
>have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
>wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
>Is "No Help," At All!
>
>I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP

This is not possible, since it would not be an "upgrade", it would be
a "downgrade". An "upgrade" would take one from an OLDER OS to a
NEWER OS.

>Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
>course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
>want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista,

How could Microsoft possibly "make" everyone change to Vista? Would
they hire a HUGE Amount of inspectors, and send them in every
neighborhood in the ENTIRE WORLD to inspect the residents OS version?
>which is the worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>
>I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is.

Never heard of a "professional" who doesn't know the difference
between "upgrading his OS" and "downgrading it".

Heck, man, I'm no professional, yet I know the difference.

>I read in the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
>supporting Windows XP.

Whether they like it or not, Microsoft does have the right to decide
when to quit supporting their older OSes.

Of course, they will change IF enough users let them know they don't
like Vista. Evidently, this has not yet happened. IN fact, the
OPPOSITE is true. MOST users are HAPPY with Vista, while MOST
commentators are NOT. Most of the commentators are full of hot air,
anyway.

>Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
>Computer Users Want, and Need.

Microsoft spent MILLIONS on finding out just what the majority of
users want, and added it to Vista. That a FEW don't like what they
did is NOT relevant to their bottom-line, or to what the Majority
likes.

>Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
>never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it.

That's a big word -- "never". Those who use it almost always wind up
being sorry for their hasty words.

>They have completely
>forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
>"User Friendly!"

Who's axiom is this? It is certainly NOT an "axiom", since an "axiom"
is always true.

While it IS a good principle on which to design user software, it does
NOT apply in all situations, as an axiom would.

>
>Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
>I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Now Microsoft is being blamed for EXPRESSLY keeping YOU from doing
your work. Hogwash!!!

"Don't bring me dowwwwnnnn, BRRRUCE!"
(remember E.L.O.?)

>Bruce Feezel
>brucef@clearwire.net
>

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 3:27:17 PM
From: Donald L McDaniel [Email Address Protection]

On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
<725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:

>Bruce,
>Just found this quick workaround.
>
>This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
>You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.
>
>Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:
>
>Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
>right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties >
>Security Tab > Edit >Add
>then type �Everyone� (not the quotes) and below it select your preferences,
>e.g. Read or Full Control.
>Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.
>
>Just tried it and hey presto.
>DecHex

Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.

>
>"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
>> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
>> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
>> without
>> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
>> to
>> do.
>>
>> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
>> done.
>> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
>> who
>> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
>> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
>> paste,
>> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
>> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
>> Microsoft doesn't!
>>
>> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
>> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
>> have
>> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
>> Instructions
>> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and
>> I
>> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
>> that
>> should be simple.
>>
>> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
>> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
>> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
>> "Help"
>> Is "No Help," At All!
>>
>> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
>> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
>> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
>> they
>> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
>> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>>
>> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
>> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
>> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
>> what
>> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
>> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
>> completely
>> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always
>> be
>> "User Friendly!"
>>
>> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
>> be.
>> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
>> done.
>>
>> Bruce Feezel
>> brucef@clearwire.net
>>
>>

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 3:55:01 PM
From: "fuctifino" [Email Address Protection]

BRUCE : >>>>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
person who
operates them.
<<<<

DONALD:>>>>Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
<<<<

The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.
I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
wants to control any permissions / security settings.

Let the hare see the fox first!

DecHex


"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:4gv624tlk2sh3toujkd8anuip9aq0do6au@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Bruce,
>>Just found this quick workaround.
>>
>>This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
>>You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.
>>
>>Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:
>>
>>Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
>>right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties >
>>Security Tab > Edit >Add
>>then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
>>preferences,
>>e.g. Read or Full Control.
>>Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.
>>
>>Just tried it and hey presto.
>>DecHex
>
> Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>
>>
>>"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
>>> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had
>>> an
>>> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
>>> without
>>> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
>>> need
>>> to
>>> do.
>>>
>>> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
>>> done.
>>> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
>>> who
>>> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
>>> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
>>> paste,
>>> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
>>> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
>>> computers,
>>> Microsoft doesn't!
>>>
>>> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
>>> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
>>> have
>>> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
>>> Instructions
>>> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share,"
>>> and
>>> I
>>> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
>>> that
>>> should be simple.
>>>
>>> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
>>> instructions
>>> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
>>> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>>> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
>>> "Help"
>>> Is "No Help," At All!
>>>
>>> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
>>> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System.
>>> Of
>>> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
>>> they
>>> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
>>> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>>>
>>> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read
>>> in
>>> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
>>> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
>>> what
>>> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
>>> will
>>> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
>>> completely
>>> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
>>> always
>>> be
>>> "User Friendly!"
>>>
>>> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
>>> be.
>>> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
>>> done.
>>>
>>> Bruce Feezel
>>> brucef@clearwire.net
>>>
>>>
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> ================================================


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 4:31:57 PM
From: Donald L McDaniel [Email Address Protection]

On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:55:01 +0100, "fuctifino"
<725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:

>BRUCE : >>>>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
>person who
>operates them.
><<<<
>
>DONALD:>>>>Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
><<<<
>
>The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.

Many such "fixes" fix nothing in the long run, friend.
It's better to fix the UNDERLYING cause.

Then he won't have to deal with it on a daily basis.

>I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
>wants to control any permissions / security settings.
>
>Let the hare see the fox first!

Why wait till the last minute? Why not be PREPARED for the fox's entry
before he's even seen?

That way, it will be HARDER for the fox to get into the rabbit hutch,
and make off with the hare, when he DOES appear.

As it is, the "fix" quoted does NOTHING about "fixing" the problem. It
is more like putting a bandaid on a huge, sucking chest-wound, and
never adding the sutures necessary to CLOSE the wound, than "fixing"
the problem. The wound will just continue to pour out blood, until
there is none left.

Advice like that given is much like the advice Dell support (when you
do get it) is wont to give. It usually never fixes anything, and
almost always winds up costing the user more time, money, and his
peace-of-mind.

Find a SOLUTION, not a "fix". "Fixes" are a dime-a-dozen, and
everyone has one. But FEW have the SOLUTION and are willing to share
it, come what may.

>
>DecHex
>
>
>"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:4gv624tlk2sh3toujkd8anuip9aq0do6au@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
>> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>Bruce,
>>>Just found this quick workaround.
>>>
>>>This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
>>>You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.
>>>
>>>Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:
>>>
>>>Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
>>>right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties >
>>>Security Tab > Edit >Add
>>>then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
>>>preferences,
>>>e.g. Read or Full Control.
>>>Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.
>>>
>>>Just tried it and hey presto.
>>>DecHex
>>
>> Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
>>>> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had
>>>> an
>>>> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
>>>> without
>>>> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
>>>> need
>>>> to
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
>>>> done.
>>>> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person
>>>> who
>>>> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
>>>> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
>>>> paste,
>>>> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
>>>> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
>>>> computers,
>>>> Microsoft doesn't!
>>>>
>>>> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
>>>> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still
>>>> have
>>>> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
>>>> Instructions
>>>> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share,"
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
>>>> that
>>>> should be simple.
>>>>
>>>> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
>>>> instructions
>>>> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
>>>> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>>>> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
>>>> "Help"
>>>> Is "No Help," At All!
>>>>
>>>> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
>>>> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System.
>>>> Of
>>>> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
>>>> they
>>>> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
>>>> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read
>>>> in
>>>> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
>>>> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to
>>>> what
>>>> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
>>>> will
>>>> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
>>>> completely
>>>> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
>>>> always
>>>> be
>>>> "User Friendly!"
>>>>
>>>> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to
>>>> be.
>>>> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work
>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Feezel
>>>> brucef@clearwire.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>> ================================================

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/8/2008 5:12:17 PM
From: "fuctifino" [Email Address Protection]

Listen "Friend"
My Hare has a cunning plan.
When he gets up on his back legs to make himself "seen" by the Fox,
It gives him ample time to bade a handsome retreat in a direction of his
choosing
and to live another day as it were by out-foxing the fox if you will.
The fox is therefore not afforded the element of surprise and has to work
harder
to catch his dinner.

DecHex

P.S. "seen by the fox" was a metaphor for the client being seen by the host
But you knew that didn't you?


"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:0c2724totd5cmck0l9iar9bcbqn2mghtkp@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:55:01 +0100, "fuctifino"
> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>BRUCE : >>>>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the
>>only
>>person who
>>operates them.
>><<<<
>>
>>DONALD:>>>>Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to
>>the
>>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>><<<<
>>
>>The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.
>
> Many such "fixes" fix nothing in the long run, friend.
> It's better to fix the UNDERLYING cause.
>
> Then he won't have to deal with it on a daily basis.
>
>>I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
>>wants to control any permissions / security settings.
>>
>>Let the hare see the fox first!
>
> Why wait till the last minute? Why not be PREPARED for the fox's entry
> before he's even seen?
>
> That way, it will be HARDER for the fox to get into the rabbit hutch,
> and make off with the hare, when he DOES appear.
>
> As it is, the "fix" quoted does NOTHING about "fixing" the problem. It
> is more like putting a bandaid on a huge, sucking chest-wound, and
> never adding the sutures necessary to CLOSE the wound, than "fixing"
> the problem. The wound will just continue to pour out blood, until
> there is none left.
>
> Advice like that given is much like the advice Dell support (when you
> do get it) is wont to give. It usually never fixes anything, and
> almost always winds up costing the user more time, money, and his
> peace-of-mind.
>
> Find a SOLUTION, not a "fix". "Fixes" are a dime-a-dozen, and
> everyone has one. But FEW have the SOLUTION and are willing to share
> it, come what may.
>
>>
>>DecHex
>>
>>
>>"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>news:4gv624tlk2sh3toujkd8anuip9aq0do6au@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
>>> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bruce,
>>>>Just found this quick workaround.
>>>>
>>>>This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the
>>>>network.
>>>>You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.
>>>>
>>>>Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:
>>>>
>>>>Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
>>>>right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties
>>>> >
>>>>Security Tab > Edit >Add
>>>>then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
>>>>preferences,
>>>>e.g. Read or Full Control.
>>>>Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.
>>>>
>>>>Just tried it and hey presto.
>>>>DecHex
>>>
>>> Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
>>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
>>>>> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had
>>>>> an
>>>>> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
>>>>> without
>>>>> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
>>>>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
>>>>> done.
>>>>> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
>>>>> person
>>>>> who
>>>>> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from
>>>>> any
>>>>> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut &
>>>>> paste,
>>>>> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from
>>>>> any
>>>>> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
>>>>> computers,
>>>>> Microsoft doesn't!
>>>>>
>>>>> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
>>>>> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I
>>>>> still
>>>>> have
>>>>> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
>>>>> Instructions
>>>>> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share,"
>>>>> and
>>>>> I
>>>>> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task
>>>>> that
>>>>> should be simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
>>>>> instructions
>>>>> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they
>>>>> are
>>>>> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>>>>> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The
>>>>> "Help"
>>>>> Is "No Help," At All!
>>>>>
>>>>> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
>>>>> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System.
>>>>> Of
>>>>> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now,
>>>>> they
>>>>> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is
>>>>> the
>>>>> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read
>>>>> in
>>>>> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to
>>>>> quit
>>>>> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention
>>>>> to
>>>>> what
>>>>> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
>>>>> will
>>>>> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
>>>>> completely
>>>>> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
>>>>> always
>>>>> be
>>>>> "User Friendly!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right
>>>>> to
>>>>> be.
>>>>> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my
>>>>> work
>>>>> done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce Feezel
>>>>> brucef@clearwire.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Donald L McDaniel
>>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>>> ================================================
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> ================================================


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/9/2008 8:14:35 PM
From: "KBrokaw" [Email Address Protection]

So does anyone have a solution????

I'm having the same problem. I have a desktop XP, a new Dell Vista laptop
and a new HP Vista laptop (new being within the past 9 months or less). I'm
computer savvy without being quite to the level of geek (to which I would
love to aspire) and have been hastling with my HP for about a week now. They
were all sharing away with no problem until I started up the HP one day and
then, voila, I could only access the public folder. So just to see what it
would do, I opened the sharing access up completely to everyone as Donald so
vehemently disapproves of (and rightly so, I suppose). This, however,
yielded a more difficult situation - though I can get as far as the computer
itself and to see the folders, I am now fully denied access to all folders.
Luckily, I can still access the Dell and XP from the HP freely so I'm not
totally dead in the water.

On the lookout for that fox!
kb

"fuctifino" <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote in message
news:03761880-EB5A-46BC-8BD3-D28FE5B0977D@microsoft.com...
> Listen "Friend"
> My Hare has a cunning plan.
> When he gets up on his back legs to make himself "seen" by the Fox,
> It gives him ample time to bade a handsome retreat in a direction of his
> choosing
> and to live another day as it were by out-foxing the fox if you will.
> The fox is therefore not afforded the element of surprise and has to work
> harder
> to catch his dinner.
>
> DecHex
>
> P.S. "seen by the fox" was a metaphor for the client being seen by the
> host
> But you knew that didn't you?
>
>
> "Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:0c2724totd5cmck0l9iar9bcbqn2mghtkp@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 23:55:01 +0100, "fuctifino"
>> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>BRUCE : >>>>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the
>>>only
>>>person who
>>>operates them.
>>><<<<
>>>
>>>DONALD:>>>>Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to
>>>the
>>>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>>><<<<
>>>
>>>The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.
>>
>> Many such "fixes" fix nothing in the long run, friend.
>> It's better to fix the UNDERLYING cause.
>>
>> Then he won't have to deal with it on a daily basis.
>>
>>>I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
>>>wants to control any permissions / security settings.
>>>
>>>Let the hare see the fox first!
>>
>> Why wait till the last minute? Why not be PREPARED for the fox's entry
>> before he's even seen?
>>
>> That way, it will be HARDER for the fox to get into the rabbit hutch,
>> and make off with the hare, when he DOES appear.
>>
>> As it is, the "fix" quoted does NOTHING about "fixing" the problem. It
>> is more like putting a bandaid on a huge, sucking chest-wound, and
>> never adding the sutures necessary to CLOSE the wound, than "fixing"
>> the problem. The wound will just continue to pour out blood, until
>> there is none left.
>>
>> Advice like that given is much like the advice Dell support (when you
>> do get it) is wont to give. It usually never fixes anything, and
>> almost always winds up costing the user more time, money, and his
>> peace-of-mind.
>>
>> Find a SOLUTION, not a "fix". "Fixes" are a dime-a-dozen, and
>> everyone has one. But FEW have the SOLUTION and are willing to share
>> it, come what may.
>>
>>>
>>>DecHex
>>>
>>>
>>>"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4gv624tlk2sh3toujkd8anuip9aq0do6au@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:37:46 +0100, "fuctifino"
>>>> <725012b1014@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Bruce,
>>>>>Just found this quick workaround.
>>>>>
>>>>>This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the
>>>>>network.
>>>>>You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.
>>>>>
>>>>>Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>>Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
>>>>>right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then >
>>>>>Properties
>>>>> >
>>>>>Security Tab > Edit >Add
>>>>>then type 'Everyone' (not the quotes) and below it select your
>>>>>preferences,
>>>>>e.g. Read or Full Control.
>>>>>Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just tried it and hey presto.
>>>>>DecHex
>>>>
>>>> Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
>>>> Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce Feezel" <BruceFeezel@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:86FE5A7F-F0AD-4E56-89D9-D106BC5F2BBB@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>> All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut
>>>>>> &
>>>>>> paste,
>>>>>> rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these
>>>>>> computers,
>>>>>> Microsoft doesn't!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The
>>>>>> Instructions
>>>>>> are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New
>>>>>> Share,"
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a
>>>>>> task
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> should be simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the
>>>>>> instructions
>>>>>> have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
>>>>>> instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently,
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> "Help"
>>>>>> Is "No Help," At All!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
>>>>>> Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating
>>>>>> System.
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point.
>>>>>> Now,
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to
>>>>>> quit
>>>>>> supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have
>>>>>> completely
>>>>>> forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> "User Friendly!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be.
>>>>>> I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my
>>>>>> work
>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce Feezel
>>>>>> brucef@clearwire.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Donald L McDaniel
>>>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>>>> ================================================
>>
>> Donald L McDaniel
>> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
>> ================================================
>


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/10/2008 7:48:04 AM
From: "Chuck [MVP]" [Email Address Protection]

On Fri, 9 May 2008 20:14:35 -0700, "KBrokaw" <k_brokaw@comcast.net> wrote:


>So does anyone have a solution????
>
>I'm having the same problem. I have a desktop XP, a new Dell Vista laptop
>and a new HP Vista laptop (new being within the past 9 months or less). I'm
>computer savvy without being quite to the level of geek (to which I would
>love to aspire) and have been hastling with my HP for about a week now. They
>were all sharing away with no problem until I started up the HP one day and
>then, voila, I could only access the public folder. So just to see what it
>would do, I opened the sharing access up completely to everyone as Donald so
>vehemently disapproves of (and rightly so, I suppose). This, however,
>yielded a more difficult situation - though I can get as far as the computer
>itself and to see the folders, I am now fully denied access to all folders.
>Luckily, I can still access the Dell and XP from the HP freely so I'm not
>totally dead in the water.
>
>On the lookout for that fox!
>kb

There are solutions. Regardless of what you may think from reading here, Vista
is not a disaster. There are millions of computers running Vista all over the
world, and many communicating with other computers. Some basic understanding
about networking, and file sharing, is necessary sometimes.

The "access denied" error is unbelievably imprecise, and makes for much
confusion.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html

Assuming that you do not have lower level problems, look at authentication
between your computers. Are you using Guest, or non-Guest, authentication?
Guest authentication, by default, has much less access to sensitive and personal
folders. Is it XP Home or Pro?
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/

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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/10/2008 10:56:30 AM
From: "Gordon" [Email Address Protection]

"Marjie" <Marjie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:54D0A37E-5380-4572-A211-9A0B441CAEF1@microsoft.com...
>
> Thanks, Bruce, for saying what I've known since I started using Vista. It
> is NOT network friendly,

Interestingly I also have an XP Pro SP3 machine, and when I bought my new
Vista Home Premium laptop, the network, err, just worked. I had to do
NOTHING at all to share files and folders between the two machines both
ways.


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Subject: Re: I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!
Group: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
Date: 5/10/2008 1:15:57 PM
From: "AJR" [Email Address Protection]

Gordon - I'm with you - I currently have networked , wired and wirless,
computers running Vista Ulitmate (one desktop, one laptop) and Vista
Enterprise desktop (SP 1s) and XP SP3 - all doing fine!!


"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g04nkb$p0n$1@news.mixmin.net...
> "Marjie" <Marjie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:54D0A37E-5380-4572-A211-9A0B441CAEF1@microsoft.com...
>>
>> Thanks, Bruce, for saying what I've known since I started using Vista.
>> It
>> is NOT network friendly,
>
> Interestingly I also have an XP Pro SP3 machine, and when I bought my new
> Vista Home Premium laptop, the network, err, just worked. I had to do
> NOTHING at all to share files and folders between the two machines both
> ways.



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